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derben  30 May 15 6.00pm |
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I think some of you are forgetting my original post - who was the most ineffectual, not who was the worst or, depending on your politics, the wickedest.
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| derben 30 May 15 6.01pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 May 2015 4.58pm
Quote Kosowski at 30 May 2015 4.39pm
How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list? Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards. Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm) Derban likes to provoke controversy. Although his father, G W Bush, probably remains one of the most overlooked presidents in US History.
My middle name does begin with a W... and no, it is not W****r.
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 Kermit8  Hevon 30 May 15 6.17pm |
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Quote derben at 30 May 2015 6.00pm
I think some of you are forgetting my original post - who was the most ineffectual, not who was the worst or, depending on your politics, the wickedest.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 15 10.01am |
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Quote derben at 30 May 2015 6.00pm
I think some of you are forgetting my original post - who was the most ineffectual, not who was the worst or, depending on your politics, the wickedest. Carter in many ways, compared to his predecessor and replacement, could be argued to be at least a period of stable non-controversy. Regan unquestionably ushered a new era of US politics, but a lot of the changes wrought weren't necessarily very effectual to the us in the long term.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 15 10.05am |
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Quote Dweeb at 30 May 2015 5.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 May 2015 4.58pm
Quote Kosowski at 30 May 2015 4.39pm
How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list? Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards. Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm) Derban likes to provoke controversy. Although his father, G W Bush, probably remains one of the most overlooked presidents in US History. The trouble is, of course, that Bush Senior was invovled with the 1st Gulf war as President and was the one who ordered "Storming Norman" not to go into Baghdad. That directly led to the death of thousands of Marsh Arabs, the moreso when he didn't use the CIA (of which he had previously been head) to help them and equip them to fight back. Ulitmately it became unfinished family business under "Dubya" to which Blair managed to the UK dragged into. Unlike his son, I think he realised the dangers of removing Saddam from Iraq, and the fragility of the Middle East. The Shia Marsh Arab Uprising if successful would have resulted in a civil war in Iraq, which at the time would have likely resulted in empowering Iran and Syria dramatically. With what we know of the events surrounding the fall of Iraq, it was probably the wise play.
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| chris123 hove actually 31 May 15 4.08pm |
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What connects Jimmy Carter and last weeks events in Zurich - and no googling.
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| TUX redhill 31 May 15 5.22pm |
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Quote chris123 at 31 May 2015 4.08pm
What connects Jimmy Carter and last weeks events in Zurich - and no googling.
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| chris123 hove actually 31 May 15 5.32pm |
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Quote TUX at 31 May 2015 5.22pm
Quote chris123 at 31 May 2015 4.08pm
What connects Jimmy Carter and last weeks events in Zurich - and no googling.
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| derben 31 May 15 5.34pm |
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Conducting a fiasco in the Middle East?
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| chris123 hove actually 31 May 15 5.45pm |
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Quote derben at 31 May 2015 5.34pm
Conducting a fiasco in the Middle East?
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| TUX redhill 31 May 15 6.01pm |
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Quote chris123 at 31 May 2015 5.45pm
Quote derben at 31 May 2015 5.34pm
Conducting a fiasco in the Middle East?
Codename 'PEANUTS'. A little known fact Where do I collect my winnings?
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| chris123 hove actually 31 May 15 8.14pm |
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Quote TUX at 31 May 2015 6.01pm
Quote chris123 at 31 May 2015 5.45pm
Quote derben at 31 May 2015 5.34pm
Conducting a fiasco in the Middle East?
Codename 'PEANUTS'. A little known fact Where do I collect my winnings?
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