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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
It means to carry out a course of action. Or in the term you're trying to use it, the person needs to be legally condemned. It's a murder/homocide etc.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Feb 15 2.07pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
Not necessarily, you can be executed in a manner that is judicial and in keeping with the law. Murder can only ever be unlawful (by its definition). The mistake tends to be the desire of the media to portray a 'style' to a murder that is descriptive (effectively portraying a calculated, systematic killing of people under the killers control).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Feb 15 2.09pm |
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Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 2.05pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
It means to carry out a course of action. Or in the term you're trying to use it, the person needs to be legally condemned. It's a murder/homocide etc. Murder is a sub category of homicide (its an unlawful killing of a human). Self defense, for example, is homicide, but not murder.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Feb 2015 2.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
Not necessarily, you can be executed in a manner that is judicial and in keeping with the law. Murder can only ever be unlawful (by its definition). The mistake tends to be the desire of the media to portray a 'style' to a murder that is descriptive (effectively portraying a calculated, systematic killing of people under the killers control).
The Holocaust was legal to some then? "Thou shall not kill"
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| Stuk Top half 12 Feb 15 2.39pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 2.10pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Feb 2015 2.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
Not necessarily, you can be executed in a manner that is judicial and in keeping with the law. Murder can only ever be unlawful (by its definition). The mistake tends to be the desire of the media to portray a 'style' to a murder that is descriptive (effectively portraying a calculated, systematic killing of people under the killers control).
The Holocaust was legal to some then? "Thou shall not kill" It's not subjective. It's the correct use of language. You've used it to sensationalise and draw comparison to ISIS.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Feb 15 2.49pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 2.10pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Feb 2015 2.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.50pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Feb 2015 1.42pm
Murdered, not executed.
Not necessarily, you can be executed in a manner that is judicial and in keeping with the law. Murder can only ever be unlawful (by its definition). The mistake tends to be the desire of the media to portray a 'style' to a murder that is descriptive (effectively portraying a calculated, systematic killing of people under the killers control).
The Holocaust was legal to some then? "Thou shall not kill" No it wasn't, the Holocaust was established to be a criminal act. It established an important precedent in all western law, that an individual cannot escape prosecution for an act simply because they are 'charged to perform it' by a seemingly legal body. A state's capacity to determine law, is thus typically ratified by other states (in our case, the European Court) which provides a quorum of independent legal authorities that can establish whether a nation has applied its own laws in a manner that is just.
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| imbored UK 12 Feb 15 3.16pm |
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Quote Ian J at 12 Feb 2015 8.55am
This is America where people get shot every day. This story is no different to the many other shootings that happen in USA except that the shooter was white whilst the victims were Muslims so it's being built up into a race hate crime whereas it seems that the religion of those that died was completely irrelevant. It's fairly obvious that if a country allows it's citizens to own guns there are going to be a few crackpots that actually use them
It could well be 'no different' but it seems that you're just saying that rather than actually looking into what happened. Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.17pm)
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Quote Ian J at 12 Feb 2015 8.55am
This is America where people get shot every day. This story is no different to the many other shootings that happen in USA except that the shooter was white whilst the victims were Muslims so it's being built up into a race hate crime whereas it seems that the religion of those that died was completely irrelevant. It's fairly obvious that if a country allows it's citizens to own guns there are going to be a few crackpots that actually use them
It could well be 'no different' but it seems that you're just saying that rather than actually looking into what happened. Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.17pm) I think the really damning fact, is that people seem to think its important either way, whether its because they were Muslims or not, or whether its a parking dispute or not. Yeah, if he'd been a muslim man, he'd likely have been 'a terrorist' first, muslim second, murderer third and all by association. I'm surprised no ones blamed the victims for not having their own guns. Tho I'm sure somewhere there is an NRA f*cktard trying to spell gun.
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| imbored UK 12 Feb 15 3.45pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Feb 2015 3.33pm
Quote imbored at 12 Feb 2015 3.16pm
Quote Ian J at 12 Feb 2015 8.55am
This is America where people get shot every day. This story is no different to the many other shootings that happen in USA except that the shooter was white whilst the victims were Muslims so it's being built up into a race hate crime whereas it seems that the religion of those that died was completely irrelevant. It's fairly obvious that if a country allows it's citizens to own guns there are going to be a few crackpots that actually use them
It could well be 'no different' but it seems that you're just saying that rather than actually looking into what happened. Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.17pm) I think the really damning fact, is that people seem to think its important either way, whether its because they were Muslims or not, or whether its a parking dispute or not. Yeah, if he'd been a muslim man, he'd likely have been 'a terrorist' first, muslim second, murderer third and all by association. I'm surprised no ones blamed the victims for not having their own guns. Tho I'm sure somewhere there is an NRA f*cktard trying to spell gun. Yes in an ideal world we'd treat this events as tragic blips in term of how people are capable of behaving. All too often events are co-opted, typically by governments to either bolster ideas of boogie men and/or bring about controlling and intrusive changed in law that have little to do with protecting anyone. Of course others use it to their advantage as you state. Balance is lost.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Feb 15 3.46pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 12 Feb 2015 1.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 7.33am
Let's hope he suffers
Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm. This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.
If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race. This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun. Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.
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| imbored UK 12 Feb 15 3.53pm |
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Quote dannyh at 12 Feb 2015 3.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 12 Feb 2015 1.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 7.33am
Let's hope he suffers
Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm. This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.
If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race. This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun. Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it. So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random. Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Feb 15 4.01pm |
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Quote imbored at 12 Feb 2015 3.53pm
Quote dannyh at 12 Feb 2015 3.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 12 Feb 2015 1.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Feb 2015 7.33am
Let's hope he suffers
Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm. This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.
If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race. This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun. Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it. So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random. Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.
My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder. But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry. And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.
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