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TUX redhill 29 Nov 14 8.44pm
Quote Jimenez at 29 Nov 2014 8.31pm Quote TUX at 29 Nov 2014 7.45pm Quote Jimenez at 29 Nov 2014 1.04am Quote Seth at 29 Nov 2014 12.57am So now you're frantically scouring the Mail Online looking for things to get outraged about. Wasn't Fox News bats* crazy enough? "Frantically' well hardly, I just thought that it was an interesting article about how too much Union power ruined a perfectly viable business. Seth if I didn't know better I'd say your going a bit 'Swivel eyed?' It was, thanks. As you have an active interest in 'Unions', I guess your next article will be relating to the effect of 'a lack of Unions' in business? Without trying to steal your thunder, and as you're in the vicinity, I guess Walmart would be a very good start? Actually 'Bud' No Walmarts at all in NYC due to 'Unions"** So where would you start and which 'other' company will you highlight?
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So now you're frantically scouring the Mail Online looking for things to get outraged about. Wasn't Fox News bats*** crazy enough?

"Frantically' well hardly, I just thought that it was an interesting article about how too much Union power ruined a perfectly viable business. Seth if I didn't know better I'd say your going a bit 'Swivel eyed?'

It was, thanks.
As you have an active interest in 'Unions', I guess your next article will be relating to the effect of 'a lack of Unions' in business? Without trying to steal your thunder, and as you're in the vicinity, I guess Walmart would be a very good start?

Actually 'Bud' No Walmarts at all in NYC due to 'Unions"

So where would you start and which 'other' company will you highlight?

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Pawson Palace Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.07am
Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as? As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance. It is very misleading IMO. Just look at the Black Friday sales for goodness sake, with people up North who are supposed to be hit the hardest but have got money for bloody Blaupunkt TVs and discounted coffee machines. Some people have their priorities totally wrong. Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.07am

Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as?

As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance.

It is very misleading IMO. Just look at the Black Friday sales for goodness sake, with people up North who are supposed to be hit the hardest but have got money for bloody Blaupunkt TVs and discounted coffee machines.

Some people have their priorities totally wrong.

Pride of South London
Upper Holmesdale Block P

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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 11.13am
Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as? As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance. It is very misleading IMO. Just look at the Black Friday sales for goodness sake, with people up North who are supposed to be hit the hardest but have got money for bloody Blaupunkt TVs and discounted coffee machines. Some people have their priorities totally wrong. These people probably stocked up their food cupboards at the local charity food bank on Thursday to enable them to do a full day's bargain hunting on Friday.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 11.13am

Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am

Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as?

As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance.

These people probably stocked up their food cupboards at the local charity food bank on Thursday to enable them to do a full day's bargain hunting on Friday.

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Pawson Palace Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.27am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.13am Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as? As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance. It is very misleading IMO. Just look at the Black Friday sales for goodness sake, with people up North who are supposed to be hit the hardest but have got money for bloody Blaupunkt TVs and discounted coffee machines. Some people have their priorities totally wrong. These people probably stocked up their food cupboards at the local charity food bank on Thursday to enable them to do a full day's bargain hunting on Friday. I'm not questioning some people could be hard up...but really if hoards of people are out at midnight for discounted electrical tat and other non essentials you have to wonder about these claims some times. Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.27am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.13am

Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am

Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as?

As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance.

These people probably stocked up their food cupboards at the local charity food bank on Thursday to enable them to do a full day's bargain hunting on Friday.

I'm not questioning some people could be hard up...but really if hoards of people are out at midnight for discounted electrical tat and other non essentials you have to wonder about these claims some times.

Pride of South London
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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 30 Nov 14 4.53pm
Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as? As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance. It is very misleading IMO. Just look at the Black Friday sales for goodness sake, with people up North who are supposed to be hit the hardest but have got money for bloody Blaupunkt TVs and discounted coffee machines. Some people have their priorities totally wrong. Used to be accepted that the average Northerner had more disposable income due to the higher cost of living down south. My ex colleagues in Manchester always said they couldn't possible afford to live near London even though their pay was virtually the same as mine. Edited by rob1969 (30 Nov 2014 4.53pm)
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Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Nov 2014 11.07am

Can someone actually tell me what poverty is defined as?

As I understand it based on percentiles of the median income. Thus, some people with always be in poverty regardless of general economic performance.

Some people have their priorities totally wrong.

Used to be accepted that the average Northerner had more disposable income due to the higher cost of living
down south. My ex colleagues in Manchester always said they couldn't possible afford to live near London even though their pay was virtually the same as mine.

Edited by rob1969 (30 Nov 2014 4.53pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 14 5.47pm
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Bert the Head Epsom 30 Nov 14 9.30pm
Quote Jimenez at 29 Nov 2014 12.20am [Link] Well when unions were stronger the richest people were not just getting more and more while working people get less and less. These captains of industry keep going on about how we are in competition from (non-unionised) Asian countries. What they mean is that we should accept the standards of living of these countries while they get more and more of the profits. Besides you are quoting the Daily Mail (the other paper to run the story is the Telegraph) which is a very right wing paper and not known for its accuracy. It just might be giving you a bias take on the story (or in your case telling you what you really want to hear). ...there is another side to the story [Link] It says that Titan, is 20 times smaller than the [French tyre giant] Michelin … and 35 times less profitable.” I don't know if that is true but if it is it bucking the "lazy french" propaganda that is being put about by the right wing press, in the same way they put about the lazy English stuff when the minimum wage doesn't get people fighting for a job.
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Quote Jimenez at 29 Nov 2014 12.20am

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Well when unions were stronger the richest people were not just getting more and more while working people get less and less.

These captains of industry keep going on about how we are in competition from (non-unionised) Asian countries. What they mean is that we should accept the standards of living of these countries while they get more and more of the profits.

Besides you are quoting the Daily Mail (the other paper to run the story is the Telegraph) which is a very right wing paper and not known for its accuracy. It just might be giving you a bias take on the story (or in your case telling you what you really want to hear).

...there is another side to the story

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It says that Titan, is 20 times smaller than the [French tyre giant] Michelin … and 35 times less profitable.” I don't know if that is true but if it is it bucking the "lazy french" propaganda that is being put about by the right wing press, in the same way they put about the lazy English stuff when the minimum wage doesn't get people fighting for a job.

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Seth On a pale blue dot 01 Dec 14 1.17am
Anyone who disagrees with unions' rights to fight for their members (as is their role) should immediately give up the working rights they enjoy as a result of union action (paid holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc). Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other. "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 01 Dec 14 1.17am

Anyone who disagrees with unions' rights to fight for their members (as is their role) should immediately give up the working rights they enjoy as a result of union action (paid holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc).

Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Hoof Hearted 01 Dec 14 10.36am
Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am Anyone who disagrees with unions' rights to fight for their members (as is their role) should immediately give up the working rights they enjoy as a result of union action (paid holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc). Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other. I managed my whole working life in finance without the help of a Union and retired early at 50 financially secure, but not as rich as some Union bosses who live in big mansions secured by union dues. Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate!
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Hoof Hearted 01 Dec 14 10.36am

Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am

Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other.

I managed my whole working life in finance without the help of a Union and retired early at 50 financially secure, but not as rich as some Union bosses who live in big mansions secured by union dues.

Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate!

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 01 Dec 14 11.52am
Quote nickgusset at 29 Nov 2014 11.44am Quote Pussay Patrol at 29 Nov 2014 10.54am That's why our economy is thriving and Europe is in recession. Foreign companies want to come here and invest and that's why unemployment is low. We don't have these stringent employment laws which hinders business and gives power to Unions. Economy thriving? Tesco are now using the fact they are collecting for food banks as a promotion! No one should need to rely on a food bank in 2014. Who is it thriving for? No stringent employment laws? What has this lead to. Massive increase in zero hours contracts. More working people than ever are below the poverty line. No one is saying our economy is perfect but it's sure as hell doing better than France's. What is better anyway? Zero hours contract or no contract at all? "Below the poverty line"... The measurement of poverty in this country is relative poverty which sort of means that because a lot of people have iPhones, if you only have a Nokia 3310, you are seen as being in poverty because you no longer are seen to be able to live in a way which is every day life for the majority in this country. With regard to food banks, I had friends at university who went to them, there were no checks and they bagged a few days' worth of free food. People like free things. Not saying everyone who goes to a food bank is in this situation but you get what I'm saying. The Trussell Trust say that 13 million people live in poverty in the UK, are you seriously suggesting that 20% of our population is in actual poverty? I find it hard to believe... The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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That's why our economy is thriving and Europe is in recession. Foreign companies want to come here and invest and that's why unemployment is low. We don't have these stringent employment laws which hinders business and gives power to Unions.

Economy thriving? Tesco are now using the fact they are collecting for food banks as a promotion! No one should need to rely on a food bank in 2014. Who is it thriving for? No stringent employment laws? What has this lead to. Massive increase in zero hours contracts. More working people than ever are below the poverty line.

No one is saying our economy is perfect but it's sure as hell doing better than France's. What is better anyway? Zero hours contract or no contract at all?

"Below the poverty line"...

The measurement of poverty in this country is relative poverty which sort of means that because a lot of people have iPhones, if you only have a Nokia 3310, you are seen as being in poverty because you no longer are seen to be able to live in a way which is every day life for the majority in this country.

With regard to food banks, I had friends at university who went to them, there were no checks and they bagged a few days' worth of free food. People like free things. Not saying everyone who goes to a food bank is in this situation but you get what I'm saying.

The Trussell Trust say that 13 million people live in poverty in the UK, are you seriously suggesting that 20% of our population is in actual poverty? I find it hard to believe...

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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ghosteagle 01 Dec 14 2.16pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Dec 2014 10.36am Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am Anyone who disagrees with unions' rights to fight for their members (as is their role) should immediately give up the working rights they enjoy as a result of union action (paid holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc). Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other. I managed my whole working life in finance without the help of a Union and retired early at 50 financially secure, but not as rich as some Union bosses who live in big mansions secured by union dues. Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate! Poppycock. Any employment rights you enjoy are because of the unions, even if you have never been a member. Don't be fooling yourself
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01 Dec 14 2.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Dec 2014 10.36am

Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am

Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other.

I managed my whole working life in finance without the help of a Union and retired early at 50 financially secure, but not as rich as some Union bosses who live in big mansions secured by union dues.

Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate!

Poppycock. Any employment rights you enjoy are because of the unions, even if you have never been a member. Don't be fooling yourself

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Pussay Patrol 01 Dec 14 2.46pm
Quote ghosteagle at 01 Dec 2014 2.16pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Dec 2014 10.36am Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am Anyone who disagrees with unions' rights to fight for their members (as is their role) should immediately give up the working rights they enjoy as a result of union action (paid holidays, sick pay, maternity pay etc). Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other. I managed my whole working life in finance without the help of a Union and retired early at 50 financially secure, but not as rich as some Union bosses who live in big mansions secured by union dues. Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate! Poppycock. Any employment rights you enjoy are because of the unions, even if you have never been a member. Don't be fooling yourself Yeah right, employers offer good salary, bonus, pension package because they are being forced to by a Union? Or perhaps market forces getting the right person for the job determine this? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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01 Dec 14 2.46pm

Quote ghosteagle at 01 Dec 2014 2.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Dec 2014 10.36am

Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 1.17am

Maybe then they might realise the unions are a force for good and it's only the ruling elite and their spin doctors in the press who seek to turn working people against each other.

Your right Seth, I was in the wrong game mate!

Poppycock. Any employment rights you enjoy are because of the unions, even if you have never been a member. Don't be fooling yourself

Yeah right, employers offer good salary, bonus, pension package because they are being forced to by a Union? Or perhaps market forces getting the right person for the job determine this?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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