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serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Nov 14 4.56pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
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Quote johnfirewall at 23 Nov 2014 8.43pm
Well the E15 mums are doing more than just shouting and making tits of themselves. Hats off to them. Most council's housing plans are cynical. A lot of estates were knocked down with people shipped out to the sticks. There are probably in the region of 50,000 homes under construction in London right now with an obligatory portion in the inner city areas being allocated to social housing. How many can we realistically build? It's ironic the old estates have been flattened and modern developments are now high rises with a concierge service. Evidence of the way people are being priced out of London. There was a woman being attacked on Question Time for being expressing her concerns over this. It was put to her that no one has a right to live in London. I would have gone mad. If she earns a living she has every right. You've got recent arrivals crammed in to dormitory style accommodation (or sheds) by unscrupulous landlords. Private landlords are doing pretty well out of the above sort of arrangement, plus legitimate benefit cases. Councils are even advertising for more landlords round here. Then you've got normal working people paying through the nose for a box room. I guess it's a product of the recession that people want to live in London. Not just from abroad but other parts of the UK as well. I reckon more students have stayed here after graduating from London universities than Poles.
I don't think building houses is necessarily the solution, because all you are doing is temporarily satisfying what looks to be an insatiable demand to live in London, both nationally and globally. That's all tied in with the fact that 80% of jobs under the coalition have been created in London, while the key elements of our economy, the financial and service sectors, are based in the Capital. Housing has actually now become a third prong to which financial sectors are propping up our faltering economy, and the relatively stable inflation of house prices means invested capital in housing in Central London is a big money-spinner, hence why we are seeing, as in the video I posted, foreign investment schemes buying up large estates and tripling rent. But other than widescale devolution of power from London, what else is there to do? Because the institutions people like the E15 mums and the New Era estate are facing are unaccountable they have no obligation not to maximise profit to the detriment of long-standing social groups. So really there are only two routes I can see: you can have government intervention, which looks pretty unlikely, albeit Labour are claiming they will intervene to help first-time buyers if they win in 2015 which is a very small step in the right direction. Alternatively you need grassroots social action like these two examples to bring these organisations in to the lense of public scrutiny. They have done that, and in the case of the E15 mums, they've won. Just one other point, given that this thread has been slightly de-railed by arguments about the Greens, one thing I do think could help devolution from London would be the £10 obligatory minimum wage they are proposing. Given that in London by 2020, if inflation continues on its trends, £10 will probably be below the London Living Wage (it's about £9.15 now). But outside London it will still be significantly more than the Living wage, therefore standards of living will be higher. All hypothetical, but a thought.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Nov 14 5.22pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Whats ludicrous is ordinary people who struggle to make ends meet having to pay £100 - £200 a year on Green taxes for wind farms and other fancifull pet projects. It all gets lost in a big EU bottomless pit to meet CO2 quotas anyway. All the while People in the US go around in their Gas guzzlers, Las Vegas is lit up like a christmas tree and China churn out so much smog you can barely see a few metres ahead
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serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Nov 14 5.55pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Whats ludicrous is ordinary people who struggle to make ends meet having to pay £100 - £200 a year on Green taxes for wind farms and other fancifull pet projects. It all gets lost in a big EU bottomless pit to meet CO2 quotas anyway. All the while People in the US go around in their Gas guzzlers, Las Vegas is lit up like a christmas tree and China churn out so much smog you can barely see a few metres ahead
It's obviously very in vogue at the moment to slag off the EU, but I think their leading stance on green issues, while far from perfect, is something to take pride in, as if we all bury our heads in the sand the economic and social permutations of major climactic change will be devastating. They are setting at least some kind of example, which is encouraging, even though as I say I think they'd be better investing in alternative energy sources than taxing energy companies. But all of this this does leave me wondering what the f*ck it has to do with housing in London?
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 14 11.07pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Nothing will ever bring energy prices down. No matter who, when or why. All you can do is go as off grid or consumption light as possible.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 14 10.10am | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Nothing will ever bring energy prices down. No matter who, when or why. All you can do is go as off grid or consumption light as possible. Well you could nationalize the industry and then utilize taxation revenue to subsidise the cost of utilities, recouping through taxation. Whilst it wouldn't actually reduce the cost over all (because ultimately you'd pay out in taxation) it would ensure the provision of an essential utility to all citizens. Obviously, you could set a tariff by which over x amount of usage is charged to the individual at a certain rate. Or through monopolization by the state you could recoup the cost through provision to private enterprise (who'd pass the cost onto the consumer) in terms of luxury products. Whilst neither option makes energy prices any cheaper, they do secure them and make them more affordable / available to all. In theory as well it should enable the state to wield more power in terms of price paid for power.
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jcreedy 25 Nov 14 11.11am | |
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Unless people get help from parents, buying houses in London is now just for the wealthy, and ridiculous stamp duty thresholds makes it even harder.
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Unless people get help from parents, buying houses in London is now just for the wealthy, and ridiculous stamp duty thresholds makes it even harder. Pretty much, although not limited to the wealthy, just the high earners. I'd have thought you'd need to be looking at either a substantial deposit, or a salary in excess of 40k to get onto the property ladder in any kind of realistic way.
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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 14 12.33pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Nov 2014 10.10am
Quote Stuk at 24 Nov 2014 11.07pm
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Nov 2014 4.56pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Nothing will ever bring energy prices down. No matter who, when or why. All you can do is go as off grid or consumption light as possible. Well you could nationalize the industry and then utilize taxation revenue to subsidise the cost of utilities, recouping through taxation. Whilst it wouldn't actually reduce the cost over all (because ultimately you'd pay out in taxation) it would ensure the provision of an essential utility to all citizens. Obviously, you could set a tariff by which over x amount of usage is charged to the individual at a certain rate. Or through monopolization by the state you could recoup the cost through provision to private enterprise (who'd pass the cost onto the consumer) in terms of luxury products. Whilst neither option makes energy prices any cheaper, they do secure them and make them more affordable / available to all. In theory as well it should enable the state to wield more power in terms of price paid for power.
As I said, the only way you'll ever reduce your energy bills is to use less or generate your own.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Nov 2014 7.40pm
It's the Greens whose agenda is responsible for energy prices being more expensive than it needs to be. It's the Greens, not the Tories who are really the implicit killers who finish off grannies and oldies too worried to put their heating on this winter. All so we can look good while China open another forty coal factories next year.
What he is eluding to, is the push for green taxes and levies (not to mention the part of the bill that pays for people who don't pay their own bills) mean that the overall unit cost becomes far more than it should be at wholesale cost + distribution + profit. Over 10% and then 5% VAT too.
Nothing will ever bring energy prices down. No matter who, when or why. All you can do is go as off grid or consumption light as possible. Well you could nationalize the industry and then utilize taxation revenue to subsidise the cost of utilities, recouping through taxation. Whilst it wouldn't actually reduce the cost over all (because ultimately you'd pay out in taxation) it would ensure the provision of an essential utility to all citizens. Obviously, you could set a tariff by which over x amount of usage is charged to the individual at a certain rate. Or through monopolization by the state you could recoup the cost through provision to private enterprise (who'd pass the cost onto the consumer) in terms of luxury products. Whilst neither option makes energy prices any cheaper, they do secure them and make them more affordable / available to all. In theory as well it should enable the state to wield more power in terms of price paid for power.
As I said, the only way you'll ever reduce your energy bills is to use less or generate your own.
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