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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Apr 14 12.47pm

It should be enough, given that theres five other teams beneath us, provided both Cardiff and Fulham don't go on winning run.

Norwich are unlikely to get enough points to get above us if one does 'surge', but if both Cardiff and Fulham get out of trouble, then I think we could have an issue.

We're seven points clear of the relegation zone and 12 points available to them, so they'd need to really win three of their four at least to be a risk to us (assuming we don't get points from our remaining games).


 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 14 Apr 14 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

From the games that the rest of the bottom clubs have left, to me it looks like Norwich and Sunderland are gone because they're run-ins are too difficult. The other place is surely between Fulham and Cardiff.

We should be able to sit back (fans not players!) and enjoy the games with Citibank and 'Pool - hopefully!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Apr 14 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Imagine if you had went into a bookies and asked for the betting odds on us being in this position back in 2010 when fans were demonstrating to save our club.

I bet the odds would have been pretty long ones at the bookies.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 14 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Remaining fixtures of clubs below us :

Sunderland
H Cardiff, WBA, Swansea
A Man C, Chelsea, Man Utd

Cardiff
H Stoke, Chelsea
A Sunderland, Newcastle

Fulham
H Hull, C.Palace
A Tottenham, Stoke

Norwich :
H Liverpool, Arsenal
A Man Utd, Chelsea

WBA
H W.Ham,Stoke
A Man C, Arsenal, Sunderland

Swansea
H A.Villa, Southampton
A Newcastle,Sunderland

A.Villa
H Southampton, Hull
A Swansea, Man C,Tottenham

Hull
H Arsenal,Everton
A Fulham, A.Villa, Man Utd

 

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Satan_Claus Flag Aalborg 14 Apr 14 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Satan_Claus Add Satan_Claus as a friend

93 would still be the worst even if we go down this year. That year we almost won as many as we lost. I still remember the shock when Oldham beat runners-up Aston Villa at Villa Park. After that I felt we would go down because Oldham got such momentum from that game, and our players had gone mentally on holiday already. When I heard the results from the final round I was at a students party - my lips started trembling and while almost crying i drank half a bottle of whiskey within an hour - that was surely a terrible moment...

Sure it would be awful being relegated now - but no not as terrible as 93...

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 14 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote Satan_Claus at 14 Apr 2014 1.00pm

93 would still be the worst even if we go down this year. That year we almost won as many as we lost.

Our record that season was :
W11 D16 L15


 

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Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2014 12.31pm

Posted this in another thread

To become maths safe, if we assume we get no more points then

If Cardiff drop 3 points from their remaining games we are safe from them overtaking us,
Fulham 4 from theirs
Sunderland 5 from theirs

Norwich, Villa, WBA, Hull and Swansea are a lot more vulnerable than we are

There is a bit of a myth with this 'botton v bottom' action

The only games from now until the end of season that are real relegation six pointers are

WHU v PALACE
FULHAM V HULL
SWANS V VILLA
WBA V WHU
SUNDERLAND V CARDIFF
VILLA V HULL
SUNDERLAND V WBA
SUNDERLAND V SWANS

The rest see us all play top six (title or eurpoa chasers or mid table teams (Newcastle, Saints, Stoke)

Interesting thing as they are dropping like s atone is that Villa had better start winning or they could be in the shyte big time

Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2014 12.37pm)


bit Confused by this...

the way I work it, assuming that we get no more points:
Cardiff - need 8 points to draw level from 12 points available, so cannot drop more than 4.
Fulham - need 7 points to draw level from 12 points available so cannot drop more than 5 points.
Sunderland - need 12 points to draw level from 18 points available, so cannot drop more Than 6 points.

looks unlikely they can do it as they all need about 2 points per game to achieve this, and seeing that they all are currently running at <1 point per game, it'll take one hell of an effort for any of them to acheive this.

 


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george1212 Flag london 14 Apr 14 1.08pm Send a Private Message to george1212 Add george1212 as a friend

To be honest, I feel there is still a potential sting in the tail to be had.

If we can anywhere from 3 to say 4 points from Everton and West Ham, we should be ok.

The problem is that any of those teams below could go on a run. The only team that seemed truly finished was Cardiff. Even they somehow managed to beat Southampton away on the weekend. I think we are all underestimating these teams.

We are almost there, but lets not relax too much yet! If we can get to 40 points after toon and west ham then we are there but now, too much could happen!

 

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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 14 Apr 14 1.24pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

Quote CrazyBadger at 14 Apr 2014 1.05pm

Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2014 12.31pm

Posted this in another thread

To become maths safe, if we assume we get no more points then

If Cardiff drop 3 points from their remaining games we are safe from them overtaking us,
Fulham 4 from theirs
Sunderland 5 from theirs

Norwich, Villa, WBA, Hull and Swansea are a lot more vulnerable than we are

There is a bit of a myth with this 'botton v bottom' action

The only games from now until the end of season that are real relegation six pointers are

WHU v PALACE
FULHAM V HULL
SWANS V VILLA
WBA V WHU
SUNDERLAND V CARDIFF
VILLA V HULL
SUNDERLAND V WBA
SUNDERLAND V SWANS

The rest see us all play top six (title or eurpoa chasers or mid table teams (Newcastle, Saints, Stoke)

Interesting thing as they are dropping like s atone is that Villa had better start winning or they could be in the shyte big time

Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2014 12.37pm)


bit Confused by this...

the way I work it, assuming that we get no more points:
Cardiff - need 8 points to draw level from 12 points available, so cannot drop more than 4.
Fulham - need 7 points to draw level from 12 points available so cannot drop more than 5 points.
Sunderland - need 12 points to draw level from 18 points available, so cannot drop more Than 6 points.

looks unlikely they can do it as they all need about 2 points per game to achieve this, and seeing that they all are currently running at <1 point per game, it'll take one hell of an effort for any of them to acheive this.


Took GD into account - no way will there be a big enough swing for those three to overtake us even on level points

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Apr 14 1.25pm

Quote george1212 at 14 Apr 2014 1.08pm

To be honest, I feel there is still a potential sting in the tail to be had.

If we can anywhere from 3 to say 4 points from Everton and West Ham, we should be ok.

The problem is that any of those teams below could go on a run. The only team that seemed truly finished was Cardiff. Even they somehow managed to beat Southampton away on the weekend. I think we are all underestimating these teams.

We are almost there, but lets not relax too much yet! If we can get to 40 points after toon and west ham then we are there but now, too much could happen!

If we stay up, we're setting a record, might as well set the bar high for 'highest premiership finish'. No point coasting into the seasons end, might as well put the stall out for a grandstand finish. Also it'd be nice to go into the Man City and Liverpool games knowing we didn't have to win.

Realistically, Fulham and Cardiff are probably looking to catch Norwich and West Brom, although I think our last game of the season will be vital for Fulham if not for us.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Apr 14 1.27pm

Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2014 1.24pm

Quote CrazyBadger at 14 Apr 2014 1.05pm

Quote The Sash at 14 Apr 2014 12.31pm

Posted this in another thread

To become maths safe, if we assume we get no more points then

If Cardiff drop 3 points from their remaining games we are safe from them overtaking us,
Fulham 4 from theirs
Sunderland 5 from theirs

Norwich, Villa, WBA, Hull and Swansea are a lot more vulnerable than we are

There is a bit of a myth with this 'botton v bottom' action

The only games from now until the end of season that are real relegation six pointers are

WHU v PALACE
FULHAM V HULL
SWANS V VILLA
WBA V WHU
SUNDERLAND V CARDIFF
VILLA V HULL
SUNDERLAND V WBA
SUNDERLAND V SWANS

The rest see us all play top six (title or eurpoa chasers or mid table teams (Newcastle, Saints, Stoke)

Interesting thing as they are dropping like s atone is that Villa had better start winning or they could be in the shyte big time

Edited by The Sash (14 Apr 2014 12.37pm)


bit Confused by this...

the way I work it, assuming that we get no more points:
Cardiff - need 8 points to draw level from 12 points available, so cannot drop more than 4.
Fulham - need 7 points to draw level from 12 points available so cannot drop more than 5 points.
Sunderland - need 12 points to draw level from 18 points available, so cannot drop more Than 6 points.

looks unlikely they can do it as they all need about 2 points per game to achieve this, and seeing that they all are currently running at <1 point per game, it'll take one hell of an effort for any of them to acheive this.


Took GD into account - no way will there be a big enough swing for those three to overtake us even on level points

Remember we'd be losing games, and they'd be winning them. And theres always a risk that Liverpool or Man City could put six or seven past us. If that happened and Cardiff scored three, thats a 9 point shift in goal difference.

 


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If Fulham get max points from remaining games=42pts
If Cardiff get max points from remaining games=41pts
If Sunderland get max points from remaining games43pts.
If Norwich get max points from remaining games=44pts.
This is hardly likely but to make 100% sure we stay up we need 44pts but will not require them as these teams mentioned will get max points.

 

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