He needs time to gel with the team and to understand just what TP wants from him. He's good enough, he just now needs a run in the team to prove it.

In my opinion.

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Bang on mate.

People over simplify and expect an impact from a 21 year old straight away. They're both on loan! They're lacking g the security of time and have limited experience. They may have struggled but I don't see that as a reason to right off the potential seen 12 months ago. Putting a positive spin on things, they've both moved on from being the 'big fish' of the Championship pond. It may not be obvious, but I bet they're both more developed players now for their respective experience in the Premiership. Physically, mentally and technically.

I know it's a different position, but look at the s*** Jordan Henderson got when he joined Liverpool, and now look at the praise he gets now. He's grown into an integral part of a title-challenging team, but it's not happened over night. He's been reliant on a manager who's acted as a sponsor and ignored the short-term naive views of the fans. Look at the run Gareth Bale had when he joined Tottenham as a left back. Spurs didn't win in his first 24 games!

Life ain't easy. They're enduring a test of character and the fact plan A hasn't worked out doesn't mean they're s***.

Last night I listened to an interview with Steve Bruce (yeah, Judas!). He talked about how he and Peter Beardsley roamed the country, after leaving their boyhood club, getting rejected by all these clubs. Eventually Bruce got signed up by Gillingham, but Beardsley was rejected by Gillingham, Cambridge United, Burnley and Oxford, before finally Carlisle United committed to him. He then went on to become a legend of the game at Liverpool, Everton and a Newcastle side who had constantly rejected him as a teenager.

Anyway, the point is, Ince and Zaha need time and a vote of confidence if they are to develop beyond the raw, unplayable dynamos of last season.

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Lightweight, too loose lipped in the media and deserves his bench spot. He has done nothing to make me feel he is even capable of playing for one of the "big boys" next season.

A real coup in January purely because of all the fuss and attention Liverpool had given him the window before. Can't help but think he is all just hot air and our money could have been better spent (or saved).

He has ability but an awful long way to go. An awful long way!

Needs to bulk up for starters!

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He's only had one bad game for us really, some of you guys are being a bit harsh I think.

He's hardly played for us, so we can't judge to critically of him.

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It's a big step up. We have better players ahead of him but with time he will/would adapt to the premier league Eventually.

Can't see any big teams coming in for him and he won't be getting mega money next season like he probably thought he would. Wouldn't mind him staying but won't be that bothered if he goes.

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Good championship player, whether or not he will be a good prem player remains to be seen, probably still riding on his old mans back, still a long way to go for him.