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EastEndPalace Flag WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 01 Apr 14 6.36pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.


Your right it could of been us. If it was us would we get all the clubs up and down the country remembering us? Of course not.

 
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monkey Flag Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 01 Apr 14 7.12pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

I think why this cuts so deep with many people, not just those in Liverpool, is because those of us of a certain age remember what packed terracing was like, not always at palace I admit, but it could be a really scary place at times. They just used to keep piling them in till grounds were at bursting point, shut the gates and sometimes leave thousands outside.

So when this happened at Hillsborough, a lot of people had it in the back of their minds that that could've been them, I know I did, I still think back to games I was at when I was a kid in the shed at Chelsea and the old arsenal north bank that although great atmosphere's they scared the crap out of me because I was so squashed.

If a banner is done, it would be good to bring it out again when we play Liverpool, especially if its live on sky. I can't believe its been 25 years!!

 
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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 Apr 14 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Quote Seththe 01 Apr 2014 6.08pm

Quote paperhat at 01 Apr 2014 5.26pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?


Heysel & Bradford are different issues; the OP's question was about Hillsborough. By your logic there would be no commemoration of anything.

It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us.

Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest.

For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.


It was indeed a tragic event, magnified as it was by the subsequent atrocious conduct of the police and baser elements of the press. However, there have been other, equally tragic events as others have mentioned, such as Ibrox, Heysel and Valley Parade which do not seem to attract the same level of public gushing when their respective anniversaries come round. We, as a club, don't even commemorate the anniversary of Paul Nixon's death, an event that, although dissimilar in scale, had a profound effect on the supporters of this club.

Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination?

I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days.

It's got a little out of hand, in my view.

 

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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 01 Apr 14 8.22pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 Apr 2014 8.17pm

Quote Seththe 01 Apr 2014 6.08pm

Quote paperhat at 01 Apr 2014 5.26pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?


Heysel & Bradford are different issues; the OP's question was about Hillsborough. By your logic there would be no commemoration of anything.

It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us.

Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest.

For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.


It was indeed a tragic event, magnified as it was by the subsequent atrocious conduct of the police and baser elements of the press. However, there have been other, equally tragic events as others have mentioned, such as Ibrox, Heysel and Valley Parade which do not seem to attract the same level of public gushing when their respective anniversaries come round. We, as a club, don't even commemorate the anniversary of Paul Nixon's death, an event that, although dissimilar in scale, had a profound effect on the supporters of this club.

Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination?

I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days.

It's got a little out of hand, in my view.


agreed,mr.f

 

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goodersgold Flag Hastings 01 Apr 14 8.23pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 Apr 2014 8.17pm

Quote Seththe 01 Apr 2014 6.08pm

Quote paperhat at 01 Apr 2014 5.26pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?


Heysel & Bradford are different issues; the OP's question was about Hillsborough. By your logic there would be no commemoration of anything.

It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us.

Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest.

For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.


It was indeed a tragic event, magnified as it was by the subsequent atrocious conduct of the police and baser elements of the press. However, there have been other, equally tragic events as others have mentioned, such as Ibrox, Heysel and Valley Parade which do not seem to attract the same level of public gushing when their respective anniversaries come round. We, as a club, don't even commemorate the anniversary of Paul Nixon's death, an event that, although dissimilar in scale, had a profound effect on the supporters of this club.

Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination?

I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days.

It's got a little out of hand, in my view.


Spot on, and put far better than I ever could.

 

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Ron Noades Mother Flag 01 Apr 14 8.28pm

It was a terrible tragedy that should not be forgotten. I'm happy with a minutes silence to pay my respects, and if there are more in the future then I will be happy to respect this.

With regards a banner, this should be for the Liverpool fans as it affected their supporters and their club. If they bring one to Selhurst they should be allowed to do so, and I will applaud this happily.

I believe a banner at every club in England would be rather OTT, and this would only make sense if this had happened at an England international match where supporters of many teams would have been affected. It could also show a little disrespect to clubs such as Bradford who could feel agrieved that their horrific tragedy has been brushed aside...

 
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Stuk Flag Top half 01 Apr 14 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

See football talk for my thoughts.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 Apr 14 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

If the police hadn't been so incompetent and then tried to cover up through lies and distortion what had actually happened as did some elements of the media this would have been put to bed a long time ago. The coroner got it wrong too.

It has gone on way too long, it's boring now tbh, but it is not the scousers fault. It's the West Yorkshire Old Bill from back then giving the families no option but to fight back and keep it high on the agenda, no matter how long it takes to get the real facts confirmed by the judiciary, so they can eventually move on.

If it were your son or daughter who had died you'd be doing the same.

Heysel, Bradford and Ibrox. There was no police cover-up. That's the difference.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.01pm)

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 Apr 14 9.09pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 8.57pm

If the police hadn't been so incompetent and then tried to cover up through lies and distortion what had actually happened as did some elements of the media this would have been put to bed a long time ago. The coroner got it wrong too.

It has gone on way too long, it's boring now tbh, but it is not the scousers fault. It's the West Yorkshire Old Bill from back then giving the families no option but to fight back and keep it high on the agenda, no matter how long it takes to get the real facts confirmed by the judiciary, so they can eventually move on.

If it were your son or daughter who had died you'd be doing the same.

Heysel, Bradford and Ibrox. There was no police cover-up. That's the difference.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.01pm)


But people died in their numbers. Where are the minute's silences for them?

Are we commemorating the deaths of 96 people or a police f*ck up?

 

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Lucas Oliver Flag Miles away 01 Apr 14 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Lucas Oliver Add Lucas Oliver as a friend

Respect the silence yes, the 96 fans that went to a footy match and didn't come back deserve this. However, one thing still irritates me about 'Pool.

Liverpool caused English clubs to be banned from Europe and the one time Palace got in to Europe our place was taken by...Liverpool

No banner please - back in the 80s and 90s their fans were absolute animals

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 Apr 14 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Cucking Funt at 01 Apr 2014 9.09pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 8.57pm

If the police hadn't been so incompetent and then tried to cover up through lies and distortion what had actually happened as did some elements of the media this would have been put to bed a long time ago. The coroner got it wrong too.

It has gone on way too long, it's boring now tbh, but it is not the scousers fault. It's the West Yorkshire Old Bill from back then giving the families no option but to fight back and keep it high on the agenda, no matter how long it takes to get the real facts confirmed by the judiciary, so they can eventually move on.

If it were your son or daughter who had died you'd be doing the same.

Heysel, Bradford and Ibrox. There was no police cover-up. That's the difference.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.01pm)


But people died in their numbers. Where are the minute's silences for them?

Are we commemorating the deaths of 96 people or a police f*ck up?


Well, the way I read it it is neither. I think it's more about keeping the pressure on the relevent authorities.

 

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mrmojorising Flag croydon 01 Apr 14 9.25pm Send a Private Message to mrmojorising Add mrmojorising as a friend

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.

 
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