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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old. I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too. Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc. Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time. You are completely wrong. I know.
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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm

I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old.

I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too.

Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc.

Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.

You are completely wrong.

I know.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Mar 14 3.25pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.22pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old. I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too. Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc. Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time. You are completely wrong. I know. winker
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Mar 14 3.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm

I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old.

Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc.

Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.

You are completely wrong.

I know.

winker

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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.30pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.25pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.22pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old. I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too. Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc. Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time. You are completely wrong. I know. winker tease
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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.30pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Mar 2014 3.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm

I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old.

Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc.

Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.

You are completely wrong.

I know.

winker

tease

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songsta New Addington 05 Mar 14 4.07pm
Hate to wee on the party but at the end of the day we are no different to anyone else's perception of there club. I must say the rise of the HF which in turn has turned our vocal support into something different has given us a bit of a label otherwise in the grand scheme of things 'you know' Hate to say it but like most things in life the most basic of life's fabric, sex, religion, violence (amongst others) will be at the root of peoples emotions and saying your a millwall fan will probably get the outsiders attention (for the wrong reasons) and make them 'us' as your title reads.
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New Addington 05 Mar 14 4.07pm

Hate to wee on the party but at the end of the day we are no different to anyone else's perception of there club.

I must say the rise of the HF which in turn has turned our vocal support into something different has given us a bit of a label otherwise in the grand scheme of things 'you know'

Hate to say it but like most things in life the most basic of life's fabric, sex, religion, violence (amongst others) will be at the root of peoples emotions and saying your a millwall fan will probably get the outsiders attention (for the wrong reasons) and make them 'us' as your title reads.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Mar 14 4.11pm
Quote songsta at 05 Mar 2014 4.07pm Hate to wee on the party but at the end of the day we are no different to anyone else's perception of there club. I must say the rise of the HF which in turn has turned our vocal support into something different has given us a bit of a label otherwise in the grand scheme of things 'you know' Hate to say it but like most things in life the most basic of life's fabric, sex, religion, violence (amongst others) will be at the root of peoples emotions and saying your a millwall fan will probably get the outsiders attention (for the wrong reasons) and make them 'us' as your title reads. Thanks Songsta, that was exactly my point. I am proud of South London, Palace and the HOL. Probably totally stupid of me to have that pride, as you say all of these are nothing special. But they feel good to me. So am I simply delusional or are we that little bit better than the competition? And what can we do to make us even a bit more special? Or do we care, is it just entertainment and the pride is irrelevant?
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Mar 14 4.11pm

Quote songsta at 05 Mar 2014 4.07pm

Hate to wee on the party but at the end of the day we are no different to anyone else's perception of there club.

I must say the rise of the HF which in turn has turned our vocal support into something different has given us a bit of a label otherwise in the grand scheme of things 'you know'

Thanks Songsta, that was exactly my point. I am proud of South London, Palace and the HOL. Probably totally stupid of me to have that pride, as you say all of these are nothing special. But they feel good to me. So am I simply delusional or are we that little bit better than the competition? And what can we do to make us even a bit more special? Or do we care, is it just entertainment and the pride is irrelevant?

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songsta New Addington 05 Mar 14 4.22pm
It's inside you Maple and us too, it makes grown men cry get angry and fight !! madness as it seems, just by kicking a ball around a field, its been debated and discussed many times but the rawness of the tribe culture driven by an intrinsic need desire to compete and go up against fellow men is woven into the male pysce thats why you wont see women doing the same irrational things as us, its in the chemical make up of a man. We have no real enemies to fight anymore no tribe from thornton heath is coming to steal your food or rape your women from south norwood anymore, we have social moved on now we need to dress up 11 men in blue from a different place and give them a name then dress another 11 in red and give them a name too, then support them with passion, vigour and loyalty to the day you die WHY ? we dont know maple but like you WE ALL FEEL IT TOO
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New Addington 05 Mar 14 4.22pm

It's inside you Maple and us too, it makes grown men cry get angry and fight !! madness as it seems, just by kicking a ball around a field, its been debated and discussed many times but the rawness of the tribe culture driven by an intrinsic need desire to compete and go up against fellow men is woven into the male pysce
thats why you wont see women doing the same irrational things as us, its in the chemical make up of a man.

We have no real enemies to fight anymore no tribe from thornton heath is coming to steal your food or rape your women from south norwood anymore, we have social moved on now we need to dress up 11 men in blue from a different place and give them a name then dress another 11 in red and give them a name too, then support them with passion, vigour and loyalty to the day you die

WHY ? we dont know maple but like you WE ALL FEEL IT TOO

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 05 Mar 14 5.55pm
Quote rollercoaster at 05 Mar 2014 1.49pm Problem at the moment is some people expecting success. We've never been successful, just exciting, so we start supporting the team because we just do. Our highs are few and far between but all the more special for that. Most seasons we have excitement from relegation, administration or promotion battles. Most of us became loyal supporters because of that. We probably wont stay up but if we do that will be really special and worth celebrating. Don't moan if things aren't going our way and really enjoy the good times when they come. In my opinion this is the true culture of Crystal Palace reply of the year This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 05 Mar 14 5.55pm

Quote rollercoaster at 05 Mar 2014 1.49pm

Problem at the moment is some people expecting success. We've never been successful, just exciting, so we start supporting the team because we just do. Our highs are few and far between but all the more special for that. Most seasons we have excitement from relegation, administration or promotion battles. Most of us became loyal supporters because of that.

We probably wont stay up but if we do that will be really special and worth celebrating. Don't moan if things aren't going our way and really enjoy the good times when they come. In my opinion this is the true culture of Crystal Palace

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This was once a quality forum....

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est1905 05 Mar 14 6.50pm
Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way? I have a question, Why is it you are so dull?
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05 Mar 14 6.50pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

I have a question, Why is it you are so dull?

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 05 Mar 14 8.37pm
Instead of loosing their cool on The Web why don't they go to a socialist political meeting and download on those present!.
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Covington.Tennessee 05 Mar 14 8.37pm

Instead of loosing their cool on The Web why don't they go to a socialist political meeting and download on those present!.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Mar 14 8.47pm
Quote est1905 at 05 Mar 2014 6.50pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way? I have a question, Why is it you are so dull? Why get on this thread? Looks like you are only on HOL for entertainment so find an entertaining thread.
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Mar 14 8.47pm

Quote est1905 at 05 Mar 2014 6.50pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

I have a question, Why is it you are so dull?

Why get on this thread? Looks like you are only on HOL for entertainment so find an entertaining thread.

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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 05 Mar 14 8.49pm
Quote est1905 at 05 Mar 2014 6.50pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way? I have a question, Why is it you are so dull? Dull thread? Looking forward to your next fascinatingly interesting thread then. Actually, thinking about your response, I think the op may have an interesting point. When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.
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pom tiddly om pom pom 05 Mar 14 8.49pm

Quote est1905 at 05 Mar 2014 6.50pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

I have a question, Why is it you are so dull?

Dull thread?

Looking forward to your next fascinatingly interesting thread then.

Actually, thinking about your response, I think the op may have an interesting point.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 05 Mar 14 9.03pm
Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way? Peaks and troughs is my answer. Pompey were lauded as 'fans fans' when they were in the prem... I suspect every team has its 'moment' when the whole club fan base collectively charges the atmosphere. And then it ebbs. Palace are no different as, not so long ago, our 'support' was shyte. I also think that, the longer a team in in the prem, the more people who can afford it (but don't nessessarily love the club) will buy season tickets. Which is the start of Roy Keans 'prawn sandwich' brigade. The are enough prem clubs who are now in this situation. Fans who watch their club as if they are watching MOD. Finally, I have a few issues with the HF as a body (ie when they issue a 'statement' as if they're a political organisation), but there is no doubt in my mind they've been a monumental force for good in terms of support and atmosphere. Easy to mock the 'ultra' bit, but they sure as hell have made a difference. When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.
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pom tiddly om pom pom 05 Mar 14 9.03pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

Peaks and troughs is my answer.

Pompey were lauded as 'fans fans' when they were in the prem...

I suspect every team has its 'moment' when the whole club fan base collectively charges the atmosphere. And then it ebbs. Palace are no different as, not so long ago, our 'support' was shyte.

I also think that, the longer a team in in the prem, the more people who can afford it (but don't nessessarily love the club) will buy season tickets. Which is the start of Roy Keans 'prawn sandwich' brigade. The are enough prem clubs who are now in this situation. Fans who watch their club as if they are watching MOD.

Finally, I have a few issues with the HF as a body (ie when they issue a 'statement' as if they're a political organisation), but there is no doubt in my mind they've been a monumental force for good in terms of support and atmosphere. Easy to mock the 'ultra' bit, but they sure as hell have made a difference.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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