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Part Time James 24 Feb 14 9.59am | |
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Regarding Ince in this game, I thought Man United just kept a close watch on him. If I was to pick either Ince or Bolasie going forward (sentiment aside) I'd pick Ince. What Bolasie seemed to bring to this game was the element of surprise. I could be totally wrong in this, but I thought MU looked like they didn't know enough about Bolasie (although, who does, he can be an unpredictable player). Bolasie played one of his better games and brought a lot to the pitch but for me (IMHO) he'd be kept on the bench in favour of Ince starting. I realise this is a digression from the Murray discussion, but somebody did speak about Ince vs Bolasie in this thread. Regarding Murray, Jerome came on and did well, but ultimately I don't think I could criticise the choice to start Murray.
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cpj Kent 24 Feb 14 10.10am | |
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Quote tonymikejoe at 23 Feb 2014 11.08pm
I am not on here to slaughter last season's top scorer, in fact it is great to see him back, but I think we are a better team without him in the starting XI We are on a tremendous run at the moment without Glenn Murray and I don't think a relegation scrap after such a long-term injury is the ideal situation for him. His inclusion on Saturday meant Yannick Bolassie was stuck on the bench, which weakens the side, and I believe we are better with Chamakh up top with Ince behind. Remember Murray wasn't exactly banging them in during last season's run-in and his one and only goal in his last dozen appearances was from the penalty spot. He should be battling it out with the unfairly maligned Cameron Jerome as cover for Chamakh and we will see where he is at the start of next season. This one is a write-off for him.
Anyway, if we are to go down, I'd prefer it if those who got us there at least had the chance to play in the Prem (that's why I was so annoyed that Garvan and Dobbie were written off so early on) and Murray certainly deserves that.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Feb 14 10.16am | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Feb 2014 9.46am
Bolasie carried more threat when he came on Yes he did well, however he was introduced at 0-2 when the game was effectively won and Man Utd were content to see out the match.A different dynamic came into play.
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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 24 Feb 14 10.18am | |
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Match time will bring match fitness. I think it was a wise idea by Pulis to have Murray starting against a team who are more talented than to just cynically hack him down. 70 minutes at a very competitive level was exactly what Glenn needed.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Feb 14 10.22am | |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 24 Feb 2014 10.18am
Match time will bring match fitness. I think it was a wise idea by Pulis to have Murray starting I have NO problems at all with Pulis' decision to start Murray.At the end of the day Murray scored 30 goals for us last season (Albeit at a lower level) so he is a proven goalscorer. Jerome on the other hand struggles to score and has missed good chances so Murray deserved his chance.I can understand Pulis' thinking on this matter.
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silvertop Portishead 24 Feb 14 10.27am | |
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Quote Hambo at 24 Feb 2014 12.27am
Chamakh is more effective behind another forward. Of the forwards available, Murray is the one that Pulis believes carries the biggest goal threat. He needs to integrate into a much changed team - and play games more than anything. Losing at home to Man Utd does not automatically mean there are players to blame - be it Murray, Ince or whoever. We did alright, they were better than us in the end.
Even if it took a month from now to get him up to full Murray, on the 2 or 3 chances we will have in each of the final games, who would you rather have on the trigger: Murray, Gayle or Jerome?
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7@burnley79 Battersea 24 Feb 14 10.58am | |
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Quote Ian J at 24 Feb 2014 5.45am
Quote 7@burnley79 at 24 Feb 2014 2.05am
F-ck me...... Now its pick on Murray time and he's only been back 5 minutes. Is there some way we could cypher out cretinous waffle bol-ox before it gets posted on the HOL. Of the seven posts on this thread yours is the only one not trying to discuss the point raised but preferring instead to insult the poster which to my way of thinking makes yours the cretinous waffle ok just for you Ian I will share the obvious. Murray marshalls the front line better than both Jerome and of course Gayle who runs round like a headless chicken until he has the ball at his feet then he looks dangerous. Jerome holds the ball up the best out of the 3 but not by far from Murray as he equally does a superb job here IMO. Gayle when given the opportunity can score as we have already seen this season, Jerome cant. Murray on the other hand knows how to create space for himself in tight situations something gayle will learn over time, something we haven't got at present. Overall Murray is not only technically better than both Jerome and Gayle, but he also has their best qualities rolled into one. As for his dip in scoring goals last season, I was very pleased that he managed to score 31 goals in 3/4 of a season and that for me tell me how accomplished he is at scoring. Which again is something we need right now. We have tried the other format with both jerome and gayle and its not that effective in both cases. When Murray becomes sharper and Pulis knows this he will get that extra space all be it a few feet and start to score. I thought it was a master stroke playing Murray from the outset against Manure, because it would of been a coo if we got something from the game and also give Murray a good test against vidic as to what to expect from top premier league opposition in the weeks to come. Murray will score goals you can count on that in this division, I thought he marshalled the front line well in his first start for palace and to start to knock him before he gets started was way to harsh. Maybe in the OP's defence my he maybe a newish fan by his joining date and didn't get to see how affective Murray was last season.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Feb 14 11.14am | |
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Nope, Murray was excellent on Saturday, and the ideal replacement for Jerome. Chamakah barring the penalty barely set a foot wrong. The starting squad from Saturday is the strongest team we have. Chamakah and Murray also seemed to be working well togeather. Ok, we didn't score, but look who we were up against, and we still carved out chances (as many as they did). The team that played Saturday, playing at the standard they achieved, would beat any of our relegation rivals. Ince coming in off Murray and Chamakah will create a lot of opportunties.
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Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 24 Feb 14 11.35am | |
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Murray needs game time, becauase if he can discover the form he found last season, he will be nothing short of instrumental. Chamakh, as mentioned already, plays better behind another striker. His hold up play and composure, at times, is superb. He is the best option behind the striker, in the hole, and so shouldn't be considered to lead the line on a weekly basis. There have been so many times this season, when we've lacked a really clinical striker. I'm a big fan of Jerome, but whether it be lack of competition or confidence, he hasn't look as sharp as we need him to be. Murray offers such an inteliigent game; he's scrappy, his goals aren't generally pretty, but he reads the box well and finds himself pockets of opportunity. His hold up play at the weekend, I thought, was absolutely brilliant, I think there's the makings of a great partnership between him and those around him, and this needs to be given time to mature. When it comes to the wide players, I think it's healthy to have three players viaing for two positions. Ince should start, unless injured or in bad form, because quite frankly we need to get what we can from the million we payed! His natural ability, IMO, is head and shoulders above Puncheon and Bolasie. Murray's movement and desire on Saturday was brilliant; he's obviously hungry. As soon as he finds the net and builds his confidence, I think we will see the Murray we saw last year. There was always a question mark over what sort of player he would be, ACL injuries can change your career entirely, but I really do think we saw enough on Saturday to suggest he will be back to his best.
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oxtedeagle big O 24 Feb 14 11.47am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Feb 2014 11.14am
Nope, Murray was excellent on Saturday, and the ideal replacement for Jerome. Chamakah barring the penalty barely set a foot wrong. The starting squad from Saturday is the strongest team we have. Chamakah and Murray also seemed to be working well togeather. Ok, we didn't score, but look who we were up against, and we still carved out chances (as many as they did).
Ince coming in off Murray and Chamakah will create a lot of opportunties.
What some fans fail to acknowledge, is that Muzza's goal-threat is not limited to just sticking it in the onion bag, it is his far superior footballing intelligence, hold-up and link-up play to that of Jerome. His touch, awareness and weight of pass finds unexpected space for others that Jerome cannot see. Prime example being his headed lay-off for Punch's chance in the 2nd half (that he should have scored I must add). This is no disrespect to Jerome. I think he works fantastically hard and puts opposition defences under constant pressure running the channels and closing down as he does. He, too, holds the ball up well, taking the presure off and allowing us to move further up the field. The difference with Murray, however, is that when the ball comes up to him with his back to goal, surrounded by however many defenders, he frequently finds a pass/lay-off that gives us an attacking momentum, rather than simply holding it up to gain rest-bite and territory. Especially given our counter-attacking style, it's so vital that when the ball comes forward to our lone striker, we take full advantage of the limited time we have numerical advantage. I fear I'm starting to waffle so to wrap-up my point, although not yet at full sharpness in front of goal, Murray showed me more than enough in his all round game on Saturday that he is already more of a total threat than his striking rivals for that spearhead position and, as the weeks go on, he will get better and better and better. Roll on Sunday...come on you Palace!
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 24 Feb 14 11.51am | |
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Murrays volley 2nd half was class. He was also doing a lot of running back to help out Midfield. I am amazed at how fit and sharp he is looking. Jerome has had chance after chance and is not up to Premier League standard unfortunately. Murray scored the goals that helped us get to the Premier League and deserves his place in the side.
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 24 Feb 14 11.56am | |
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He wont get match fit from the subs bench - he needs to get at least a few 60-70 mins under his belt I thought he attuned to the pace pretty well
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