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Are the HOL/BBS architects of the club's 'unrest'?
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 Bill Glazier  Mitcham 27 Jan 14 11.01pm |
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Certainly the HOL is not a true reflection of what is really happening at Selhurst Park. Mainly due to many posters not attending the games.
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 Manc_Palace  Sydney 27 Jan 14 11.01pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 27 Jan 2014 9.59pm
Quote Manc_Palace at 27 Jan 2014 9.48pm
It's really difficult to come on this forum at the moment and take anything seriously. I sincerely hope we don't have another world war and I'm not in the trenches with half of you as you'd be having breakdowns every five minutes. Is there anything that can be said or done that can make you guys just have a little patience and wait until the 1st? Unfortunately none of us are privvy to the information that you desire and speculating is making some people really not cope very well. We need to look after these people and understand that conjecture in any form really affects their daily lives Thank you Strange post. Everyone on this thread is being reasonable. If the 'you' is aimed at Holers in general maybe I see your point.
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| Pikester Worthing 27 Jan 14 11.02pm |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 27 Jan 2014 10.55pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying we collectively influence the media, but we certainly seem to be our own worst enemy. Everyone seems to cynical and pessimistic, and logic and reason go out the window. One rumor can lead to hysteria, and even counter-rumors prove to do nothing to stem the tide of panic. Someone could spot an NCP warden popping into the club to use the gents, and within half an hour there would be a thirty page thread about Selhurst becoming a multistory car park.
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Steve Parish would definitely laugh at that! SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 27 Jan 14 11.18pm |
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Quote Pikester at 27 Jan 2014 11.02pm
Quote Leicestershireeagle at 27 Jan 2014 10.55pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying we collectively influence the media, but we certainly seem to be our own worst enemy. Everyone seems to cynical and pessimistic, and logic and reason go out the window. One rumor can lead to hysteria, and even counter-rumors prove to do nothing to stem the tide of panic. Someone could spot an NCP warden popping into the club to use the gents, and within half an hour there would be a thirty page thread about Selhurst becoming a multistory car park.
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| pstrutt Busselton, WA 27 Jan 14 11.21pm |
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Quote Pikester at 27 Jan 2014 11.02pm
Quote Leicestershireeagle at 27 Jan 2014 10.55pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying we collectively influence the media, but we certainly seem to be our own worst enemy. Everyone seems to cynical and pessimistic, and logic and reason go out the window. One rumor can lead to hysteria, and even counter-rumors prove to do nothing to stem the tide of panic. Someone could spot an NCP warden popping into the club to use the gents, and within half an hour there would be a thirty page thread about Selhurst becoming a multistory car park.
I personally love all this fuel! Multiple stories, guess work, bad comments, ridiculous comments, poor suggestions, rhubarb speculation. Makes the gaps in between the games thrilling. Well nearly thrilling.
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| beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 27 Jan 14 11.24pm |
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Quote FinchleyEagle at 27 Jan 2014 10.43pm
Quote Pikester at 27 Jan 2014 10.32pm
Quote Andy_G at 27 Jan 2014 10.12pm
Quote beagle at 27 Jan 2014 9.11pm
Are the HOL/BBS architects of the club's 'unrest'? I put the word 'unrest' in inverted commas as Pullis has come out to the press to say not only is he going nowhere, but the board are/have been doing a top job. Which is a strange coincidence give that both Palace boards have been a fury of speculation, whispers, information, mis-information and passionate debate on both subjects. Extraordinarily Palace are fairly unique in having two 'thriving' (and that aint the half of it) boards. And we all know the football press keeps a close eye on the two sites for 'stories' (A case in point is someone like The Adder editor who is a regular in terms posting links to his paper's latest Palace 'scoop'- and there's no way he aint checking out the gossip and arguments we post). The boards are a barometer and an easy newsfeed. So if Pullis, as he says, genuinely has no problem with the board and isnt off anywhere then are we the architects of the club becomes a 'backpage story'? Pullis is fending off questions. The board is. The players will have their fingers on every media pulse and wondering if there are 'issues' etc etc and the whole 'non-story' gets ratcheted up. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoy the ebb and flow of the debate, but I do wonder if the popularity of both boards has a negative side and we are, unwittingly, the architects of some of the 'unrest' (which, according to TP, is non-existant btw Edited by beagle (27 Jan 2014 9.14pm) Interesting post but I don't think we have that much 'power' we are basically a load of Palace fans arguing about the club we love. Does anyone outside us really take it seriously? Edited by Andy_G (27 Jan 2014 10.14pm) I was about to post the same thing. I should think we're pretty much ignored by the rest of the world -although I do still have a secret fantasy that Steve Parish regularly laughs at all my posts and will one day send me some complementary tickets. I think we have as much sway as people who post comments on Youtube. This with bells on. I think the OP is rather overplaying our influence. Anyone who took anything on here seriously is an idiot or a lazy journalist. The HOL rarely even has its finger on the pulse of what the matchday crowds think !
So in a way you're agreeing that we do have an influence...albeit over 'lazy journalists' Here's the thing: if a group of, let's say, 25 HOL regulars were to meet up outside the board and come to an agreed story that, for example, Pullis and Browett were not speaking and both wanted out, and we started a thread on the subject (and we made it convincing).....well, how long would it be before Pullis and Browett were being asked about their relationship by 'the media', and before a few headlines started appearing...'palace in crisis' etc etc. I'd give it 2 weeks before our faked story was picked up. I think, unwittingly, we have a fair bit of influence - on a side note, but not disconnected, I'm pretty sure that, when we were last up in the prem, one of our transfers was hijacked at the airport by west brom due to those 'in the know' on the BBS talking about it (was is Gera...can't remember).
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) | Dangermouse Hastings 27 Jan 14 11.36pm |
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Quote beagle at 27 Jan 2014 11.24pm
Quote FinchleyEagle at 27 Jan 2014 10.43pm
Quote Pikester at 27 Jan 2014 10.32pm
Quote Andy_G at 27 Jan 2014 10.12pm
Quote beagle at 27 Jan 2014 9.11pm
Are the HOL/BBS architects of the club's 'unrest'? I put the word 'unrest' in inverted commas as Pullis has come out to the press to say not only is he going nowhere, but the board are/have been doing a top job. Which is a strange coincidence give that both Palace boards have been a fury of speculation, whispers, information, mis-information and passionate debate on both subjects. Extraordinarily Palace are fairly unique in having two 'thriving' (and that aint the half of it) boards. And we all know the football press keeps a close eye on the two sites for 'stories' (A case in point is someone like The Adder editor who is a regular in terms posting links to his paper's latest Palace 'scoop'- and there's no way he aint checking out the gossip and arguments we post). The boards are a barometer and an easy newsfeed. So if Pullis, as he says, genuinely has no problem with the board and isnt off anywhere then are we the architects of the club becomes a 'backpage story'? Pullis is fending off questions. The board is. The players will have their fingers on every media pulse and wondering if there are 'issues' etc etc and the whole 'non-story' gets ratcheted up. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoy the ebb and flow of the debate, but I do wonder if the popularity of both boards has a negative side and we are, unwittingly, the architects of some of the 'unrest' (which, according to TP, is non-existant btw Edited by beagle (27 Jan 2014 9.14pm) Interesting post but I don't think we have that much 'power' we are basically a load of Palace fans arguing about the club we love. Does anyone outside us really take it seriously? Edited by Andy_G (27 Jan 2014 10.14pm) I was about to post the same thing. I should think we're pretty much ignored by the rest of the world -although I do still have a secret fantasy that Steve Parish regularly laughs at all my posts and will one day send me some complementary tickets. I think we have as much sway as people who post comments on Youtube. This with bells on. I think the OP is rather overplaying our influence. Anyone who took anything on here seriously is an idiot or a lazy journalist. The HOL rarely even has its finger on the pulse of what the matchday crowds think !
So in a way you're agreeing that we do have an influence...albeit over 'lazy journalists' Here's the thing: if a group of, let's say, 25 HOL regulars were to meet up outside the board and come to an agreed story that, for example, Pullis and Browett were not speaking and both wanted out, and we started a thread on the subject (and we made it convincing).....well, how long would it be before Pullis and Browett were being asked about their relationship by 'the media', and before a few headlines started appearing...'palace in crisis' etc etc. I'd give it 2 weeks before our faked story was picked up. I think, unwittingly, we have a fair bit of influence - on a side note, but not disconnected, I'm pretty sure that, when we were last up in the prem, one of our transfers was hijacked at the airport by west brom due to those 'in the know' on the BBS talking about it (was is Gera...can't remember).
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| sydtheeagle England 28 Jan 14 6.30am |
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An Internet forum is just that. It's there to provide a stomping ground for people with a common interest to get stuck in, express their opinions and even relieve their stresses. How the free world reacts isn't my problem and doesn't interest me one jot. I honestly couldn't care less if Steve Parish reads my posts or whether the Advertiser is dumb enough to mistake emotional rants for inside information. At the end of the day, this board does what it does and should be left alone to do it. I participate here to enjoy the debate. Outside influences should stay just that; outside. One reason I prefer HOL to the BBS is precisely because CPFC2010 don't have their own little sanitised column here. In that sense I'm a purist, I'm afraid.
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| Midlands Eagle 28 Jan 14 6.38am |
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Quote NEILLO at 27 Jan 2014 10.25pm
A lot of the debate on HOL has been fuelled by the newspaper ( well, The Mirror mainly ) reporting on our struggles in the transfer window. The extension of that is to report that Pulis is unhappy as a result. Until such time as we hear to the contrary, then of course we are going to do what this site is for - discuss, speculate, rant, whatever ! We all have our own views on how the club is run. This is a place where we can share those views, no matter how extreme some of them are. So to answer the original question - it's a '' no '' from me. What you say is true and much of the lively debate here has been fuelled by various Mirror stories. I must admit that I don't really understand what is going on as I don't believe that it is down to lazy journalism so that means that either someone is feeding them snippets for their own ends or else the Mirror are printing blatant lies and I'm not sure which one it is. The board are well aware of what is said on these boards and they do often use them as well as social media for putting across their views. They also know that many supporters are interested in their views otherwise why would Steve Parish have over 16,500 followers on his Twitter account. There is no doubt that robust debate on the forums does get the Board's attention and perhaps we do influence some of their thinking otherwise why would Steve Parish have said that they wouldn't be employing Chris Coleman as so many of the fans were against the idea. The board and Steve Parish in particular understand the power of the fan and know how important forums and social media is nowadays in formulating and spreading opinion and there is no doubt that it was the unrest here that forced Tony Pulis to state that he wouldn't be walking away but it's just a shame that Steve Parish and Steve Browett didn't come out and issue unequivocal denials straight away to kill off the story before it gained legs
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| FinchleyEagle 28 Jan 14 8.11am |
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Quote Ian J at 28 Jan 2014 6.38am
Quote NEILLO at 27 Jan 2014 10.25pm
A lot of the debate on HOL has been fuelled by the newspaper ( well, The Mirror mainly ) reporting on our struggles in the transfer window. The extension of that is to report that Pulis is unhappy as a result. Until such time as we hear to the contrary, then of course we are going to do what this site is for - discuss, speculate, rant, whatever ! We all have our own views on how the club is run. This is a place where we can share those views, no matter how extreme some of them are. So to answer the original question - it's a '' no '' from me. What you say is true and much of the lively debate here has been fuelled by various Mirror stories. I must admit that I don't really understand what is going on as I don't believe that it is down to lazy journalism so that means that either someone is feeding them snippets for their own ends or else the Mirror are printing blatant lies and I'm not sure which one it is. The board are well aware of what is said on these boards and they do often use them as well as social media for putting across their views. They also know that many supporters are interested in their views otherwise why would Steve Parish have over 16,500 followers on his Twitter account. There is no doubt that robust debate on the forums does get the Board's attention and perhaps we do influence some of their thinking otherwise why would Steve Parish have said that they wouldn't be employing Chris Coleman as so many of the fans were against the idea. The board and Steve Parish in particular understand the power of the fan and know how important forums and social media is nowadays in formulating and spreading opinion and there is no doubt that it was the unrest here that forced Tony Pulis to state that he wouldn't be walking away but it's just a shame that Steve Parish and Steve Browett didn't come out and issue unequivocal denials straight away to kill off the story before it gained legs Yes mate you keep telling yourself how relevant this load of utter nonsense and ignorance is in the grand scheme of things. What you post here IS important. Bless. I'm sure journalists do come and have a look and then use it to back up the phrase 'the fans think...' But take a look at a thread, any thread. So many unresearched things stated as 'fact', hyperbole, vitriol, opinions and egos - anyone who genuinely takes anything seriously on here needs a reality check.
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| silvertop Portishead 28 Jan 14 9.19am |
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When we get to work I think we are noticed. However, it would have to be an almighty hoo hah such as the Cookie backlash or the Nugent Affair for the matter to get reported and to then have some influence. You never know, perhaps Coleman chose not to come here and take the Wales job as the message boards [including this one] went into melt-down at the prospect? However, you would have to be the most dillusional teenage smurf if you thought some implausible rant in semi-text will have any impact on anything.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jan 14 9.31am |
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People are always the source of unrest and discord. Essentially we pick up on rumours that make it onto news sources, and because they are news sources we validate them as such, because for the most part news sources are trusted to contain a degree of truth. However sports reporting isn't like News. Information is tightly controlled by clubs, and unlike most other environments, a club can restrict information easily to one or two reliable individuals. Consequently actual news in football is generally press released and controlled, so actual news is rare, as a consequence papers and news media for football will publish any old unsubstanciated rumour and it gets circulated as news, because otherwise football journalism would be limited to the occassional expose, match reports and press releases. Of course some rumours are true, but largely they'll relate to transfers, and its usually down to clubs and agents angling for either publicity and value control
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