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Churchill was a prick
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 Icepick Tony  Chester 23 May 13 9.15am |
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Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 9.06am
Quote Icepick Tony at 23 May 2013 9.03am
Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 8.56am
Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face. It's a shame he helped save people like you.
Wow. Yeah that rolling eyes icon gets way over used on here. I'm merely offering to have a face-to-face to chat about it. I'm sure he'll be defending the actions of Islamic terrorists next. I'm sure you were. Surely it would be far better to watch the Football?
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 23 May 13 9.21am |
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Is it even possible to judge him through modern eyes? So the British ruling class didn't have a modern enlightend view on eugenics. So what? There was a programme on radio 4 recently about the fact that Britain refused to evacuate disabled children because they weren’t worth saving! But blaming it on Churchill and calling him ‘a pr*ck’ is schoolboy revolutionary stuff, serial, and you know it. Clement Attlee signed documents at (or maybe it was shortly after) the Potsdam Conference which permitted the execution of German women and children (the so-called “Vetriebene”, ie, those forced out of Soviet-occupied Poland). I think the lesson is not that Churchill ‘was a pr*ck’ but that there simply are no heroes, only people, and therefore all hero myths are bunk.
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| EagleEyedAlbert ...too far north of the water. 23 May 13 9.26am |
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"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills... We shall fight in Block 140 at Wembley"
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| Lyons550 Shirley 23 May 13 9.26am |
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Blimey Serial...what with the posts about the proposed minutes silence and this I'm assuming someone nicked your lunch or you were having a really bad day yesterday!
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| Lyons550 Shirley 23 May 13 9.27am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 May 2013 9.21am
Is it even possible to judge him through modern eyes? So the British ruling class didn't have a modern enlightend view on eugenics. So what? There was a programme on radio 4 recently about the fact that Britain refused to evacuate disabled children because they weren’t worth saving! But blaming it on Churchill and calling him ‘a pr*ck’ is schoolboy revolutionary stuff, serial, and you know it. Clement Attlee signed documents at (or maybe it was shortly after) the Potsdam Conference which permitted the execution of German women and children (the so-called “Vetriebene”, ie, those forced out of Soviet-occupied Poland). I think the lesson is not that Churchill ‘was a pr*ck’ but that there simply are no heroes, only people, and therefore all hero myths are bunk.
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| bright&wright 23 May 13 9.39am |
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Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 23 May 2013 9.26am
"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills... We shall fight in Block 140 at Wembley"
I'm sure someone will throw a Milwall/fighting at Wembley reference on here but as someone with a close affinity to the military I find this topic massively offensive. Everyone has an opinion - absolutely fine. But now isn't the time for this.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 13 9.41am |
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Being a prick is an essential quality in any leader, show me one that wasn't an arrogant prick. But Churchill made some very important big calls during the war, and his speeches galvanised an nation that was on its knees. Great wartime leaders need to be pricks at time, because sometimes you have to let Coventry burn, for the long term objectives. And the idea for SOE which almost certainly shortened the war dramatically, and saved thousands of allied lives was his.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 13 9.45am |
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Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 9.39am
Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 23 May 2013 9.26am
"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills... We shall fight in Block 140 at Wembley"
No ones slatting Monty, Mountbatten, Wavell, Alexander or Dowding.
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palace777  belfast 23 May 13 9.58am |
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and another thing,his f*cking car insurance is way too dear!!!!!
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| thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 23 May 13 10.05am |
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ooh yessss
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| TheEagleOfSteel Minnesota, USA 23 May 13 10.08am |
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'Nice' people don't make good leaders in times of crisis. You need someone who is able to make tough decisions and follow them through. The world saw him as an unshakable character, a modern (at the time) British Bulldog. I challenge you to name a single politician in today's government who could have pulled the country through such a horrific war. I wouldn't have faith in a single bloody one of them.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 13 10.11am |
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Quote palace777 at 23 May 2013 9.58am
and another thing,his f*cking car insurance is way too dear!!!!! Palace man.
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