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lyeemoon Flag Girne 09 Aug 12 3.24pm Send a Private Message to lyeemoon Add lyeemoon as a friend

Quote blind eagle at 08 Aug 2012 8.47pm

Sorry to bother you again lads but there were two other matches I wanted to get some info on and my memory let me down again. I hope you wont mind digging out something on the two following games: Probably November or December 1947 Palace drew Port Vale at Selhurst in The FA Cup. My Mum and I arrived late by which time the visitors were a goal up. We equalised and then about twenty minutes from time a Palace player got the ball in what would then have been the left-half position, he made a bit of ground and had a go from 20/25 yards.It was not a particularly good shot because it did not carry but the Vale keeper in The Holmesdale goal went down to cover and it bounced over his shoulder and into the net and Palace won 2 - 1. What team did Palace have out that day and who was the player who scored the wobbly winner? In probably the first quarter of 1948 Palace played Swindon at Selhurst in a Thid Division South League match. Now in the many years I have been going to Selhurst I have certainly experienced some rough weather but that saturday afternoon the heavens opened up and the rain fell in a deluge so my Mum and I had to scamper for cover in The Main Stand. That afternoon Millbanks,who was playing center-half for Palace ,sustained a nasty head wound and had to be carried off. If I remember correctly we drew 1 - 1. What was the Palace team that day? Thanks chaps because these matches are what Memories are Made Of so hope you don't mind helping me out.

The "wobbly" goal was probably scored by Clough and the other by Farrington in front of a crowd of 16,000 on 29 Nov 1947. We beat Bristol City in the next round and then lost to Chester as you mentioned before.

Remainder of the team, Graham, Harding, Fred Dawes,Reece,Mycock,Kurz,Millbank,Somerfield,Buckley.

30 Oct 1948 v Swindon, crowd 12,290, 1-1 (Broughton)plus Graham, Harding, Dawes, Lewis, Buckley, Kurz, Clough,Davidson,Mullen, Thomas J.


 


lo Selhurst silva felix, lo Selhurst cara nutrix, viget, vigeat, vigebit! Best team:- Jackson; Gilbert, Evans, Cannon, Sansom; Hughes, Kember, McNichol; Byrne, Holton, Wright.

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lyeemoon Flag Girne 10 Aug 12 8.51am Send a Private Message to lyeemoon Add lyeemoon as a friend

Quote lyeemoon at 09 Aug 2012 3.24pm

Quote blind eagle at 08 Aug 2012 8.47pm

Sorry to bother you again lads but there were two other matches I wanted to get some info on and my memory let me down again. I hope you wont mind digging out something on the two following games: Probably November or December 1947 Palace drew Port Vale at Selhurst in The FA Cup. My Mum and I arrived late by which time the visitors were a goal up. We equalised and then about twenty minutes from time a Palace player got the ball in what would then have been the left-half position, he made a bit of ground and had a go from 20/25 yards.It was not a particularly good shot because it did not carry but the Vale keeper in The Holmesdale goal went down to cover and it bounced over his shoulder and into the net and Palace won 2 - 1. What team did Palace have out that day and who was the player who scored the wobbly winner? In probably the first quarter of 1948 Palace played Swindon at Selhurst in a Thid Division South League match. Now in the many years I have been going to Selhurst I have certainly experienced some rough weather but that saturday afternoon the heavens opened up and the rain fell in a deluge so my Mum and I had to scamper for cover in The Main Stand. That afternoon Millbanks,who was playing center-half for Palace ,sustained a nasty head wound and had to be carried off. If I remember correctly we drew 1 - 1. What was the Palace team that day? Thanks chaps because these matches are what Memories are Made Of so hope you don't mind helping me out.

The "wobbly" goal was probably scored by Clough and the other by Farrington in front of a crowd of 16,000 on 29 Nov 1947. We beat Bristol City in the next round and then lost to Chester as you mentioned before.

Remainder of the team, Graham, Harding, Fred Dawes,Reece,Mycock,Kurz,Millbank,Somerfield,Buckley.

30 Oct 1948 v Swindon, crowd 12,290, 1-1 (Broughton)plus Graham, Harding, Dawes, Lewis, Buckley, Kurz, Clough,Davidson,Mullen, Thomas J.


Just to expand a bit further. There's some interesting characters in the team of that era. Dick Graham is probably the best known as he subsequently became a very successful Palace manager when he took over from an ailing Arthur Rowe. He gained promotion to Div 2 where we were a respectable 7th in the 64/65 season. However during the following campaign, after a string of bad results, he left to be replaced by the ecletic Arthur Rowe as caretaker.

As players, Graham and wing half Jack Lewis were selected to play for a London XI in Brussels in 1948.
Despite Palace struggling at the foot of the 3rd Div. Lewis was a stalwart for three seasons after the war before moving to Reading, via Bournemouth, where unusually for a defender in those days he scored 15 goals in a season.

Fred Dawes was the younger brother of Bert who was a prolific goalscorer for Palace pre-war. They were local boys from Frimley Green. Bert was a defender who spent more than 14 years at the club when he became Assistant Manager.

Jimmy Clough, probable scorer of the "wobbly" goal, was, like his famous namesake from the north-east albeit in Newcastle. He was signed from Southport and scored 13 goals in 72 games, before being transferred to Southend.

Fred Kurz is for me the most intriguing with his German name (translated as Short). He was born in Grimsby at the end of World War 1 at a time when what had been quite a large German community in Britain had been decimated due to deportation, internment and general intimidation even for those who had been almost totally Anglicised. His background, which I will look into, should be very interesting because having a German name during that time would have its complications even though sensitivities were not so high after the second world war as evidenced by Bert Trautmann etc.

Whatever the case though, Kurz flourished at Palace scoring 50 goals in 151 games over about 5 seasons, before returning to his native Lincs with Boston Utd.

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lo Selhurst silva felix, lo Selhurst cara nutrix, viget, vigeat, vigebit! Best team:- Jackson; Gilbert, Evans, Cannon, Sansom; Hughes, Kember, McNichol; Byrne, Holton, Wright.

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Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 10 Aug 12 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

Interesting read, Jack Lewis was a fantastic player more attacking halfback than defender.Freddie Kurz scored a wonderful goal in a game by deliberately kicking the ball against the 'wall' and lashing the rebound into the net.

I was surprised to find that the 'Dawes' came from Frimley Green I had always assumed they came from Northampton.

Arthur Hudgell was a quality player from that era.

A few of us older 'buggers'to record our memories from different times.

 

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