As no referendum has any legal force they are not even advisory. It's was the commitment to respect it and the triggering of Article 50 by Parliament which has the real implications.

What Parliament enacts it can also undo. Parliament, and not governments, are sovereign in the UK. If Parliament is of a mind that the path being trodden is not in the country's interests then they have not just the right, but the duty, to act.

Parliament cannot, and I am sure will not, allow any government of whatever stripe, to use procedure to get it's own way against the collective will of the Parliament.

I love your post as I can imagine your face going redder and redder with righteous indignation at the fact that the Prime Minister has got one over on all those in Parliament that thought they could thwart the will of the people that put them there.

Take it easy before you explode

A way to go yet and still I suspect a few more twists before we get one less star on that s***ty flag.

I confess the schadenfreude of the last day or so has been delicious but I still have my doubts about Johnson and his true commitment to enacting a 'clean' Brexit along with a little bit of a notion of hypocrisy.

If the Remain side had pulled a similar stunt to enact a revocation of A50 or a second referendum I would be all blood and thunder myself and ultimately, the UK has to emerge from the other side of this all at some stage.

And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been.

Because what is clear is that a significant amount of people in the UK cannot accept that 52 is a higher % than 48 in a vote. I had just accepted as a given that our system of democracy was rock solid but it is clear that for a lot of people, that is no longer a valid concept. And supposedly the 'brighter' ones in our society as well.

When did they become such utter morons? Why would anybody who voted Remain in 2016 not accept that they lost? Once we leave, then yes, campaign for us to rejoin. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration. But to try and deliberately scupper the result from June 2016 from being implemented? That is beyond the pale. Democracy clearly is a lot more fragile than I had assumed.

Edited by Matov (29 Aug 2019 8.49pm)

Well put. If leave had loss do you seriously think there would be protests in the streets 3 years down the line? No of course not most of us Leavers aare pragmatic we would of rolled up our sleeves & gotten on with our lives.
The remainers are nothing but sour losers what an absolute shower of s***e they are from their calling everyone a racist,gammon etc to faux superriority that their view is correct (a few of the scumbags on here who I won't mention spring to mind) f*** em they lost Lets get out & move on !!

I stopped reading past these sentences. You've just proved my point. Intentions and best endeavors mean sweet FA when it comes down to Acts of Parliament. The Act was passed, overwhelmingly so, with no amendments added.

Your argument of "What May said, what Farage promised, what Tusk offered" MEAN NOTHING.

The Commons knew full well that one of the end-states of this Act would be to leave without an Agreement. After all, they all read Article 50(3), didn't they? They knew that this act gave direct effect to all the clauses in Article 50, didn't they?

What would have been the alternative to activating the Article 50 notification that was compatible with the electorate's decision to leave the EU? I'm all ears.

A way to go yet and still I suspect a few more twists before we get one less star on that s***ty flag.

I confess the schadenfreude of the last day or so has been delicious but I still have my doubts about Johnson and his true commitment to enacting a 'clean' Brexit along with a little bit of a notion of hypocrisy.

If the Remain side had pulled a similar stunt to enact a revocation of A50 or a second referendum I would be all blood and thunder myself and ultimately, the UK has to emerge from the other side of this all at some stage.

And the divisions are now so entrenched that I do wonder what the future holds. Scary times, no matter how fun the last 36 hours have been.

Because what is clear is that a significant amount of people in the UK cannot accept that 52 is a higher % than 48 in a vote. I had just accepted as a given that our system of democracy was rock solid but it is clear that for a lot of people, that is no longer a valid concept. And supposedly the 'brighter' ones in our society as well.

When did they become such utter morons? Why would anybody who voted Remain in 2016 not accept that they lost? Once we leave, then yes, campaign for us to rejoin. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration. But to try and deliberately scupper the result from June 2016 from being implemented? That is beyond the pale. Democracy clearly is a lot more fragile than I had assumed.

Edited by Matov (29 Aug 2019 8.49pm)