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cpfc_chap koh samui 29 Aug 19 11.38am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Cue the vote was advisory (yawn). Or no mandate for no deal!! If the originally referendum was non binding or advisory, why did so many remainers vote if it meant nothing?
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koh samui 29 Aug 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cue the vote was advisory (yawn).

Or no mandate for no deal!!

If the originally referendum was non binding or advisory, why did so many remainers vote if it meant nothing?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 19 11.52am
What’s Paul Mason up to then? He was originally a leaver, just not under the tories. I’ve seen Paul Mason on a joe,co.U.K video sat on a protest. It’s all to do with ‘Boris undermining democracy and being elected under a coup of 150,000 old white racists voting him in.’ (Willo lol) Nothing about parliament undermining democracy meaning Boris has to do this. Paul Mason was all for Brexit. I lost track of it all through the months and quartets of objections. Why not now? Too Tory a Brexit? Not to no deal? What exactly? COYP
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Caterham 29 Aug 19 11.52am

What’s Paul Mason up to then? He was originally a leaver, just not under the tories.

I’ve seen Paul Mason on a joe,co.U.K video sat on a protest. It’s all to do with ‘Boris undermining democracy and being elected under a coup of 150,000 old white racists voting him in.’ (Willo lol)

Nothing about parliament undermining democracy meaning Boris has to do this.

Paul Mason was all for Brexit. I lost track of it all through the months and quartets of objections. Why not now? Too Tory a Brexit? Not to no deal? What exactly?

COYP

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh the irony. I notice you fail to make any actual predictions. I repeat, the UK is a coveted investment country and will continue to be so. Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed.
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Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh the irony.

I notice you fail to make any actual predictions.

I repeat, the UK is a coveted investment country and will continue to be so.

Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed.

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Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 2.49pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed. Errr....have not our companies already been sold away to foreigners by....cough cough...selfish nilistic neo liberals who don't and have never cared about 'family silver' or the nation state......Ah 'family silver', evoking a generation of leaders who actually gave a feck....even if they made other massive mistakes. Selling this nation down the road wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway. Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament and insist that we can't have our own border rules.....nor want their own independent army and the eventual end of all sovereignty. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Aug 19 2.49pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed.

Errr....have not our companies already been sold away to foreigners by....cough cough...selfish nilistic neo liberals who don't and have never cared about 'family silver' or the nation state......Ah 'family silver', evoking a generation of leaders who actually gave a feck....even if they made other massive mistakes.

Selling this nation down the road wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway.

Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament and insist that we can't have our own border rules.....nor want their own independent army and the eventual end of all sovereignty.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.58pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Errr....have not our companies already been sold away to foreigners by....cough cough...selfish nilistic neo liberals who don't and have never cared about 'family silver' or the nation state......Ah 'family silver'. That wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway. Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.50pm) Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you. So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations. Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway. Like I have said before, be a part of a strong group but cede some autonomy for an overall greater voice (as was expressly discussed BEFORE we entered Europe), or simply bite the pillow. I am sure we shall all get used to the latter. And one day they'll let us vote for POTUS. Just like Greenland.
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Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway.

Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.50pm)

Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you.

So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations.

Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway.

Like I have said before, be a part of a strong group but cede some autonomy for an overall greater voice (as was expressly discussed BEFORE we entered Europe), or simply bite the pillow. I am sure we shall all get used to the latter. And one day they'll let us vote for POTUS. Just like Greenland.

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Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.03pm
Originally posted by jeeagles True, but as of 2018 there were 5.7m british businesses. 96% had less than 9 employees, and 99.9% had less than 250. Making the 6% stat pretty meaningless. how does that make it meaningless? How do we know what the 6% represents? Some of it could be the ones you mention above. C'mon je, you're better than that. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.03pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

True, but as of 2018 there were 5.7m british businesses. 96% had less than 9 employees, and 99.9% had less than 250.

Making the 6% stat pretty meaningless.

how does that make it meaningless? How do we know what the 6% represents? Some of it could be the ones you mention above.

C'mon je, you're better than that.

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Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 3.06pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you. So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations. Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway. Like I have said before, be a part of a strong group but cede some autonomy for an overall greater voice (as was expressly discussed BEFORE we entered Europe), or simply bite the pillow. I am sure we shall all get used to the latter. And one day they'll let us vote for POTUS. Just like Greenland. Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points. What you state is no different to how it is in the EU. And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75. Because that simply isn't the case. Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Aug 19 3.06pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you.

So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations.

Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway.

Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points.

What you state is no different to how it is in the EU.

And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75.

Because that simply isn't the case.

Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.08pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, because 6% of businesses export to the EU? And if I said that 6% actually employs 53.7% of all employees in the UK, would you be able to disprove that? If I then went on to say that many of the microbusinesses and SMEs are suppliers to exporters and will be indirectly strongly affected would you like to argue that one? I think we have already established you have never studied Logic. i think the whole of projects 'fear' and 'leave' base a lot of their assumptions on this one word as IF its fact. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.08pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, because 6% of businesses export to the EU?

And if I said that 6% actually employs 53.7% of all employees in the UK, would you be able to disprove that?

If I then went on to say that many of the microbusinesses and SMEs are suppliers to exporters and will be indirectly strongly affected would you like to argue that one?

I think we have already established you have never studied Logic.

i think the whole of projects 'fear' and 'leave' base a lot of their assumptions on this one word as IF its fact.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.26pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 how does that make it meaningless? How do we know what the 6% represents? Some of it could be the ones you mention above. C'mon je, you're better than that. In that case read again what I wrote on the same topic. Instead of your bland and meaningless objection. Edited by Mapletree (29 Aug 2019 3.39pm)
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Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.26pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

how does that make it meaningless? How do we know what the 6% represents? Some of it could be the ones you mention above.

C'mon je, you're better than that.

In that case read again what I wrote on the same topic. Instead of your bland and meaningless objection.

Edited by Mapletree (29 Aug 2019 3.39pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points. What you state is no different to how it is in the EU. And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75. Because that simply isn't the case. Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum. Yes, the discussions were quite clear on the pooling of sovereignty as you put it. Both prior to 1973 and again in 1975. You may not have been around then though. I have previously posted historic documentation on this point. You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws.
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Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points.

What you state is no different to how it is in the EU.

And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75.

Because that simply isn't the case.

Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum.

Yes, the discussions were quite clear on the pooling of sovereignty as you put it. Both prior to 1973 and again in 1975. You may not have been around then though. I have previously posted historic documentation on this point.

You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws.

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Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.44pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed. You're quite probably right; but only because Brown already got rid of the 'family gold' The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.44pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed.

You're quite probably right; but only because Brown already got rid of the 'family gold'

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Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 3.45pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yes, the discussions were quite clear on the pooling of sovereignty as you put it. Both prior to 1973 and again in 1975. You may not have been around then though. I have previously posted historic documentation on this point. Errr....no. The vote was only and I repeat only for the terms of the common market that we entered into. You claiming for anything else is disingenuous. Originally posted by Mapletree You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws. Oh so you don't support having another one then.....Good to know. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Aug 19 3.45pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Errr....no.

The vote was only and I repeat only for the terms of the common market that we entered into.

You claiming for anything else is disingenuous.

Originally posted by Mapletree

You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws.

Oh so you don't support having another one then.....Good to know.

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