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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 23 8.01pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not to my mind it isn’t.

We knew there would be consequences, some of which were unquantifiable but others for which some estimates were possible. The judgement seems to have been that unpleasant although they would be that they were survivable and, on balance, presented a least bad option than risking any of the alternatives.

I say we but the truth is that none of us carried the responsibilities involved. Looking at things from the outside and thinking you know better is easy. Actually doing things is hard. I have no time at all for Johnson and the government he led. I thought it one of the worst in my lifetime but at least he acted responsibly over the way the pandemic strategy was developed, even if he failed to follow that strategy himself.

Your remark about the vaccines is not correct. Although the mNRA vaccines had not been used on humans and was relatively new technology there was a great deal of confidence that it could and would deliver answers provided it was fully resourced. The way this was done was a terrific tribute to the way the world can cooperate in a crisis and a beacon of hope for our future. I expect movies to be made about it in time as there are stories to be told that will inspire future generations.

WEF and globalisation conspiracy theorists ought to hang their heads in shame.

It was still a huge gamble that an effective vaccine would be developed within a reasonable timeframe.
It's ironic that those who were at the least risk paid the highest price for lockdown in the most challenging circumstances but can be accused of selfishness for being sceptical about the vaccine.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 23 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It was still a huge gamble that an effective vaccine would be developed within a reasonable timeframe.
It's ironic that those who were at the least risk paid the highest price for lockdown in the most challenging circumstances but can be accused of selfishness for being sceptical about the vaccine.

I don’t think there was any gamble involved. The industry was sure it would work. The issue was the scale needed and that demanded commitment and very hard work. That several separate efforts were made further improved the chances.

Who do you think paid the highest price? The young perhaps, who have the time to rebuild and recover? There will always been inequality of impact whatever you do.

The selfish were those who could have been vaccinated but chose not to, thus putting themselves and others at greater risk and loading potential additional strain upon our health services. The excess deaths we are now seeing would have been lessened if the selfish had joined in the national effort.

They of course will deny it and hide behind their fig leaf excuse of personal freedom.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 23 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t think there was any gamble involved. The industry was sure it would work. The issue was the scale needed and that demanded commitment and very hard work. That several separate efforts were made further improved the chances.

Who do you think paid the highest price? The young perhaps, who have the time to rebuild and recover? There will always been inequality of impact whatever you do.

The selfish were those who could have been vaccinated but chose not to, thus putting themselves and others at greater risk and loading potential additional strain upon our health services. The excess deaths we are now seeing would have been lessened if the selfish had joined in the national effort.

They of course will deny it and hide behind their fig leaf excuse of personal freedom.

The medical experts were also confident that hundreds of thousands would die. We don't know what would have happened without lockdown but we also don't know what would have happened if the vaccine hadn't been effective;lockdown until one was developed?
I think the highest price was paid by low paid people with children living in small properties in inner cities. Those without job security, savings or access to country walks.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 23 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The medical experts were also confident that hundreds of thousands would die. We don't know what would have happened without lockdown but we also don't know what would have happened if the vaccine hadn't been effective;lockdown until one was developed?
I think the highest price was paid by low paid people with children living in small properties in inner cities. Those without job security, savings or access to country walks.

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It depends on what you mean about medical experts thinking hundreds of thousands would die. Across the world? Directly or indirectly?

No one knew. There were those who tried to estimate possible worst case scenarios that were then picked up and used as scare stories.

No one could either be 100% sure of anything but there was a real confidence that the vaccine development would work and so the resources were provided to ensure that when it did we were ready to move quickly. It did and we did.

Judgements had to be made. They can always be considered incorrect and could be subsequently proved incorrect but they still need to be made. They were, and we are where we are. I am glad we did.

One of my granddaughters fits your highest price category. She got supported in many ways and although very isolated for long periods has come out the other side ok. She managed to feed herself and her young family, kept her home warm and her children’s education going. She missed her friends but the internet kept them together better than might have been expected. Then they celebrated when it relaxed.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 23 10.10pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It depends on what you mean about medical experts thinking hundreds of thousands would die. Across the world? Directly or indirectly?

No one knew. There were those who tried to estimate possible worst case scenarios that were then picked up and used as scare stories.

No one could either be 100% sure of anything but there was a real confidence that the vaccine development would work and so the resources were provided to ensure that when it did we were ready to move quickly. It did and we did.

Judgements had to be made. They can always be considered incorrect and could be subsequently proved incorrect but they still need to be made. They were, and we are where we are. I am glad we did.

One of my granddaughters fits your highest price category. She got supported in many ways and although very isolated for long periods has come out the other side ok. She managed to feed herself and her young family, kept her home warm and her children’s education going. She missed her friends but the internet kept them together better than might have been expected. Then they celebrated when it relaxed.

I'm glad your granddaughter came though reasonably OK but many, many others didn't do so well.
Our celebration was outside the local which in early spring in Scotland is a bit unusual. They provided blankets and hot water bottles to those whose teeth chattered the loudest.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 23 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I'm glad your granddaughter came though reasonably OK but many, many others didn't do so well.
Our celebration was outside the local which in early spring in Scotland is a bit unusual. They provided blankets and hot water bottles to those whose teeth chattered the loudest.

Bet it was fun though. My local started doing takeaways and supplying pints whilst they were prepared. Quite lively at times.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It depends on what you mean about medical experts thinking hundreds of thousands would die. Across the world? Directly or indirectly?

No one knew. There were those who tried to estimate possible worst case scenarios that were then picked up and used as scare stories.

No one could either be 100% sure of anything but there was a real confidence that the vaccine development would work and so the resources were provided to ensure that when it did we were ready to move quickly. It did and we did.

Judgements had to be made. They can always be considered incorrect and could be subsequently proved incorrect but they still need to be made. They were, and we are where we are. I am glad we did.

One of my granddaughters fits your highest price category. She got supported in many ways and although very isolated for long periods has come out the other side ok. She managed to feed herself and her young family, kept her home warm and her children’s education going. She missed her friends but the internet kept them together better than might have been expected. Then they celebrated when it relaxed.

Did she have a gas fire?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 23 6.55am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Did she have a gas fire?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 23 12.16pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

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It's nice to see real scientific achievements being recognised and acclaimed for making the contribution to our welfare that these two have.

I wonder how the likes of Dr John Campbell will try to downplay this.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Oct 23 8.39pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

"The government's former chief scientific adviser criticised Boris Johnson's "impossible flip-flopping" and "bipolar decision-making" in diary entries released to the Covid inquiry.

Sir Patrick Vallance also wrote of "chaos as usual" in Downing Street after a meeting on social-distancing.

The entries were read out at the start of stage two of the inquiry, which will examine the political decision-making." (BBC)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 23 9.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

"The government's former chief scientific adviser criticised Boris Johnson's "impossible flip-flopping" and "bipolar decision-making" in diary entries released to the Covid inquiry.

Sir Patrick Vallance also wrote of "chaos as usual" in Downing Street after a meeting on social-distancing.

The entries were read out at the start of stage two of the inquiry, which will examine the political decision-making." (BBC)

Hardly a surprise, given his character.

Rather goes to prove how well the advisers did in keeping everything as calm and purposeful as they did.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Hardly a surprise, given his character.

Rather goes to prove how well the advisers did in keeping everything as calm and purposeful as they did.

The quote in bold. Would that be the advisors who told lies in a good way ?
and then loads of people died

There is just no discussion with you. Your mind is made up before you enter into a conversation. Why bother ?

It will be interesting to hear 'Sir' Chris Whitty's testimony, which will obviously be devoid of influence that he was paid by the Government and then 'honoured'.
Well done Sir Patrick.

 


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