Didnt really explain it as well as I should have

Interesting break down of voting patterns in the Times today.

Based on socio-economic group, the Torys won the majority of the vote at every level.

Tory, SNP, Green vote went up by 1%. Lib Dem up by 4%, Labour went down by 8%.

Obviously, 1% increase for The tories represents a lot more votes cast than the SNP and green got.

Seems like the Lib Dem vote also played a big part in splitting the Labour vote, but that isn't shown in the number of seats they won.

It's still proving difficult to drum home to the hard left just how bad this defeat is.

What do people think Boris' new cabinet will look like? And I'm not talking IKEA. There's talk of Rees-Mogg cabinet position being in the balance. Possibly idle gossip though, who knows.

Perhaps you haven't adsorbed the wider meaning of a post geared towards the benefits of clamping down on immigration and why it's perfectly understandable for people to feel that way.

It is certainly though, as I say sensible and decent not to be needlessly racist, or sexist or anti gay in life. It's an insult to no-one of any generation to state that, and includes people being sexist towards men and so on, as frequently occurs of course.

The central point of my post, again, is that there is no gain to be had for labour or lib dems with the same niche identity approach that's used in the US, because it doesn't play well here with the masses. Hence no political gain. Despite the emotions near election time, in day to day life most people just tend to just get on with things in a less dramatic way. And my point was that in terms of 'rights' angle the political parties might cheerlead, these rights are already there anyway and so there is both no mileage to be gained in that dept and also no particular appetite from parties to go over old ground. Done deals. Something's not automatically an insult just because you or others don't happen to agree with it. I could very well say that what you said was an insult. Where exactly does that get us?

What developments are you hoping get reversed? It might help if you explain.

Edited by dollardays (16 Dec 2019 1.59am)

Are having a grumpy night or something? So now what I've said is an appalling insult? Come off it. I don't particularly think that many people reading my contributions on this very page will think that the points of that post was meant as an appalling insult to anyone at all.

You must occupy a strange space where you've extracted outrage from me saying that people fairly is a sign of common sense and decency, and yet on the other hand, as we know from previously, describing your gay family members as living 'lifestyles you don't like', or calling gay people 'fags' isn't. Yeah, very fair minded and decent that. A real respectful tone. Learn entry level consideration of others and for your own before you start up your outrage machine or knit picking over others tone.

I'm saying that nationally it does not work as an election winning policy. Then of course you might branch into demographics. As stated and was the point of my post, Brexit gives us options there with numbers coming in.

I'm not sure why you've struggled so hard to search for disagreement over a couple of lines of a post. Chill out. You're more Richard Spencer, I'm more Snoop Dogg, it's all good babaaay. I'm actually excited for the next five years. I'm perfectly happy with the changes I feel that Brexit might have and the autonomy it brings with regard to immigration controls and the like and with trading opportunities. I don't think most are caught up on social issues, which was my point if you bother to read. You are in deep, lost even on racial issues. That's for you. Don't drag me into it.

Bring it down a level. You've completely gone out of your to annoy and look for an argument over nothing.

Edited by dollardays (16 Dec 2019 2.57am)

Says the hyper critical narcissist

It was relevant as is your mistreatment. If you're going to angrily fixate over a couple of lines about how its decent to treat people a certain way as an 'appalling insult' I will highlight that you would think that, since you yourself have the habit of behaving towards said people in a cruel and substandard way yourself. You're more angry at people being treated with kindness and decency than treating them as inferior. Even in your own family it seems. Well done.

And as you like context, fine. Yes I said on here about how my brother was terribly bullied for being gay? So yes I'll defend my family. Give it a go yourself sometime mr allegiance. In the weeks after that, if anyone wants to search, on multiple occasions you put the word 'fag' in replies to me clearly looking for a rise. So yeah, no wonder you mention him again. Want to give him a bit of what you give your own do you? Taking out that council estate angst you mentioned on whatever minority you can find are you?

Listen, you latched onto a post which is LITERALLY ABOUT the futility of political parties on the left pushing the identity politics angle, and of saying that emotion around mass immigration is completely understandable and that cutting numbers will be a good thing, to isolate a very particular part that you feel wasn't even intended as an insult anyway, to repeatedly tell me what a terrible insult I've made to past generations, people with certain political groups and so on. It's APPALING apparently. Well pass that hanky.

You're obviously in a mood and out looking for an argument. It was contrivied and over nothing, and as you're hardly someone who demonstrates a standard to others worth emulating to begin with, kindly bother someone else.