You are talking anti American nonsense.

China is the largest producer and consumer of coal in the world. China have been starting two coal power projects a week. They literally have cities covered in smog and you waffle about recognising its role..Air pollution in China kills 750,000 people every year, according to a study by the World Bank. China is now the number one producer of carbon dioxide, responsible for a full quarter of the world's CO2 output....and you think feel good noises amount to something.

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Who gives a damn as to whether someone argues about the extent of climate science? You overly fixate on Trump tweets while America is actually where the effective work on alternatives is actually happening which will appear in the world.

What matters are actions......not virtue signalling like the Paris accord, which you seem to think matters.....Yet you can't point to one single thing it will do.

I'll tell you what. I promise to climb Everest next year, naked and balancing a pineapple on my head....I'll just sign right here....and call it the 'Virtual Signallers' Accord'....What happens if I don't do it? Nothing.....but if I pull out I'll get loads of 'traditional conservatives' telling me how awful I am.

Give me a fecking break.

As for you waffling on about changes in lifestyle choices? That's simply not going to amount to a hill of beans....you might as well make your tea in a chocolate teapot.

The third world and China and India are developing at massive rates and using energy at huge increases and what?.....You think putting your waste in the right coloured bin is going to help?

Nope...... It's technology or bust. This issue will be solved by technological means over many decades. The only lifestyle choices that matter are the move away from fossil fuels that will happen due to innovation.....for example fossil fuel cars will gradually disappear as a mainstream option for buyers.

And most of this innovation and commercial choice will come from American or western companies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2019 2.13pm)

I am far from anti American! I am anti idiots and anti Trump, which is much the same thing. Of course China and India as the fastest developing countries are also currently the fastest growing contributors to this problem. The difference though is that the USA is a developed country and able to afford the adjustments needed, if only the will existed at the top and the leadership led, rather than follow the popular opinion. Trump is encouraging scepticism and making crass statements to keep his base onside. That's just irresponsible.

Technological answers will only go so far in solving this problem and whilst the profit motive will drive innovation you still have to create the mindset in the people that demands the necessary changes. That's the point of things like the Paris Accord. It isn't a destination in itself. It is the first stop on a long journey and if one of the main players gets off at the first stop they are deliberately throwing the journey off track.

It suffered a political setback for sure, I suspect, in part at least, because of the personalities involved.

The good thing is that has sparked a debate and raised awareness so hopefully just another part of the process.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Mar 2019 8.32pm)

You aren't my mate

So how do you generate the electric for all of these electric cars then.
Mayor kant is soon going to be trousering over £20 a day from workers in london.
All bullcrap as the day the air quality was checked was calculated to be the worst it could be in london.some 18 years odd ago.
Why no rechecking now.
Because most days it is above the minimum requirement but that wont earn money for TFL.
I have a euro 6 transit but it still has a ulez charge on it. Funny eh; we were told euro 6 was ok.
Clearly not....
Many people are being captured as a car or van needs to run on fecking fresh air to pass his test.
Climate change is just a way to make money globally hence why the big players wont fall for the bull.
Go on wisbech which gas are we trying to reduce in the atmosphere.
How much is there now and how much before all this crap
It is CO2
200 years ago there was 0.0039%
Now there is 0.0039%
Er hello
Do you see now
Its all crap.

So how do you generate the electric for all of these electric cars then.
Mayor kant is soon going to be trousering over £20 a day from workers in london.
All bullcrap as the day the air quality was checked was calculated to be the worst it could be in london.some 18 years odd ago.
Why no rechecking now.
Because most days it is above the minimum requirement but that wont earn money for TFL.
I have a euro 6 transit but it still has a ulez charge on it. Funny eh; we were told euro 6 was ok.
Clearly not....
Many people are being captured as a car or van needs to run on fecking fresh air to pass his test.
Climate change is just a way to make money globally hence why the big players wont fall for the bull.
Go on wisbech which gas are we trying to reduce in the atmosphere.
How much is there now and how much before all this crap
It is CO2
200 years ago there was 0.0039%
Now there is 0.0039%
Er hello
Do you see now
Its all crap.