Boris calculating the political implications of his future on a defection. The one chance he has to do something for others rather than himself

I feel bad for attacking Nick. He's a good guy that often provides a good counter argument. Apologies Nick. Joined in with the banter a bit there.

I do, however, wonder why immigration is such a sticking point. What is actually xenophobic or racist about a proposed system of controlled immigration?

I totally accept that there are a lot of racist people about that have gravitated towards Leave because they are stupid enough to believe that represents their nasty agenda. But I feel they will be bitterly disappointed. The Leave vote wouldn't achieve what I imagine they want (assuming that they want NO more immigrants entering the country and possibly even champion deporting previous immigrants).

I don't believe you. I have not heard anyone use the above reasons for voting out. I think you have a vivid and prejudiced imagination. I also think you are doing a lot of attention seeking on here.

I am voting out because the EU is corrupt, not fit for purpose and doesn't want to reform, mainly because it cannot reform. It has no control over its future. It is neither one thing, a federal superstate, nor another, a loose union of states, some bound by monetary union, some not. You would not create the EU in current form.

I hope that a no vote triggers debate and negotiation within the EU and that Europe, as a result, becomes two parts, the EU, which is for the Euro zone countries who will become a federal superstate and the EEA, or common market, for those countries outside the Euro zone, who wish to trade and coexist respectfully with those countries that want monetary and political union.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Good post.

The be all and end all for me is that if we vote to leave we may have a chance of getting controlled immigration on track. We might not, we might get signed up to it by the powers that be regardless.

But I definitely know there is nothing we can do about it if we remain. The EU will never renege on that policy for any member.

Optimistic as ever

Also, regardless of whatever figures are quoted, the EU costs us money. We are one of the few net contributors and that will never change either, regardless of purported benefits, rebates etc.

Optimistic as ever

Nick is a Hol steward, it's all done with a wink.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)