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Originally posted by Mapletree
It isn't only Renainers. We all lose when this hits the fan. The idea of winners and losers was always a fallacy and should never have happened, pitting people against each other. And an increasing number of people are realising that and realising they don't want a no deal Brexit in particular. Where is the justice for the majority of British people? As usual we end up living in and on the past. If you don't believe the majority would now go for Remain, let's have another plebiscite to find out.
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Originally posted by dollardays
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Like the man said, politics has changed Next Parliament will be hung. And each individual will vote tactically based almost exclusively on Brexit. As such intentions will change in support of expediency. It will be like a referendum, maybe even to take us back in if we do leave. That will happen in any case in due course, let's hope not too much damage has occurred before then.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Like the man said, politics has changed Next Parliament will be hung. And each individual will vote tactically based almost exclusively on Brexit. As such intentions will change in support of expediency. It will be like a referendum, maybe even to take us back in if we do leave. That will happen in any case in due course, let's hope not too much damage has occurred before then. If we Brexit before a GE my gut feeling is that the public will have had enough of that for now. I think the when it came the GE would be normal service resumed. That is why Boris is picking off key Tory targets like crime so he can fight Corbyn on traditional grounds and point to what he has already done. GE before Brexit will be a referendum of sorts and as you said I would expect plenty of tactical voting by the public and the parties.
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France and Ireland are suggesting they will refuse to ratify an EU trade deal with Brazil because of the Amazon fires. Very noble of both countries to put the environment ahead of their own selfish needs. On a purely separate note I just heard a trade expert on LBC explain that the 2 countries who are likely to lose out most to agricultural products from Brazil are .... France and Ireland. Funny the BBC didn't mention that. Apparently our boy is over their talking to the Brazilians and hasn't mention the fires. Edited by Badger11 (23 Aug 2019 5.31pm)
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Did you read the link to the Leave leaflet? It was absolutely clear we would have a new trading relationship with the EU. And that isn't not a key element to why people voted as they did. Along with £350m per week for the NHS and getting rid of immigration. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 1.46pm) The leave campaign was one of several campaigns to exit the EU. It wasn't the 'pope' it didn't speak for everyone on the leave side. We will have a new trading relationship with the EU regardless of what happens. The 350m figure isn't accurate...it varies depending upon how you measure it....and I certainly don't agree with giving all the EU money to the NHS. It was a dodgy slogan just as the remain campaigns had 'project fear'...and continue to have. Getting rid of immigration? Baby steps....baby steps.
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If true that is extremely bad and against his own party.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If true that is extremely bad and against his own party. Good on him - revenge. The voters (bless them) voted in Mrs May and her tory administration. There has been a tory right-wing coup, not subject to elections and not what the voters voted for, their policies and ideology are different. It is so easy in modern UK to gain power through the back door, through connections and what private school you went too.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Good on him - revenge. The voters (bless them) voted in Mrs May and her tory administration. There has been a tory right-wing coup, not subject to elections and not what the voters voted for, their policies and ideology are different. It is so easy in modern UK to gain power through the back door, through connections and what private school you went too. I'm not so sure about the wisdom of having an election everytime a party in power changes its leader.....it has some validity however when we have elections we don't vote in the actual leader anyway....it's obviously individual MPs. An election every five years ensures that a vote is never that far away. Anyway...what do you care about democracy Steely? As for the 'private school' point.....that's both of them. At least the Tory front bench doesn't look like Labour's...'give a gormless tart a role' job with about as much respect for merit as you'd expect from a party led by second rate commies. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2019 7.45pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not so sure about the wisdom of having an election everytime a party in power changes its leader.....it has some validity however when we have elections we don't vote in the actual leader anyway....it's obviously individual MPs. An election every five years ensures that a vote is never that far away. Anyway...what do you care about democracy Steely? As for the 'private school' point.....that's both of them. At least the Tory front bench doesn't look like Labour's...'give a gormless tart a role' job with about as much respect for merit as you'd expect from a party led by second rate commies. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2019 7.45pm) Second rate commies.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Interesting read. I also noted a little throw away comment by the BBC that we have now completed trade deals with 39 countries. I believe these are with ones who already deals had with the EU so a cut and paste job but some on this board said this would be next to impossible take years etc. It would seem that Mrs May and her team were never serious about planning for life away from the EU with or without a trade deal. I think the current team are showing that whilst there will always be bumps in the road it is not as bad as some fear. I am glad to hear that they are using common-sense sense on border controls. I could never understand the view that we would not be able to import food and medicine to me that would only be true if UK officials and rules snarled up the process. After all if you are a Swiss drug company why would you not want to continue to sale your drugs in the UK? Any delays would have to be down to our side so thankfully someone has recognised this so I don't think it will be a big deal.
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