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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 19 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You mean all those that want to remain No. Many people aren't so qualified but listen to those that are and want to remain. Of course those who conclude that a no deal Brexit will harm us want to avoid that happening, but that doesn't mean that they all want to remain as a member.
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Aug 19 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
He doesn’t, which is a point in its own right But he does know that the referendum campaign never even mentioned a no deal Brexit so nobody can have actively voted for that. In fact the campaign always spoke about ‘the deal’ so if a no deal happens the referendum will have been fought on misinformation. Who’d a thought it You're surely inoring Treaty of Lisbon - Article 50 which provides up to 2 years to negotiate a deal.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 19 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You should have told Tony Blair that! The operative word is "know". Making political judgements that with the benefit of hindsight can now be viewed as miscalculated is always going to happen. Doing things that is known will harm us, and is admitted to harm us, is unacceptable.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 10.48am |
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Originally posted by chris123
You're surely inoring Treaty of Lisbon - Article 50 which provides up to 2 years to negotiate a deal. I am inoring nothing The leaflet states: We have a new UK-EU Treaty based on free trade and friendly cooperation. There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. That is what people thought they were voting for. If in fact it proved impossible to negotiate a deal in the time available, that is not the fault of the voters - nor something they could have been expected to predict - who were clearly sold a pup.
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Aug 19 10.51am |
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Originally posted by chris123
You're surely ignoring Treaty of Lisbon - Article 50 which provides up to 2 years to negotiate a deal.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 10.54am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Ah, too late to get your g in now Chris. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 12.01pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Aug 19 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, to late to get your g in now Chris. Can't even blame predictive text!
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Can't even blame predictive text! Damn, missed off an o
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Can't even blame predictive text! You know how to change the original? i.e. click on the pencil rubber?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For sure those who voted to remain did so for various reasons. That though misses the point. Those who voted to leave would also have done so for a variety of reasons. Like gaining £350 million a week for the NHS, reducing immigration and "regaining control". However, only a very few of the most ardent Eurosceptics would have even known what a "no-deal" Brexit meant, let alone been in favour of it. Whilst an argument in favour of "respecting the referendum" result can be made with honour (as can the counter argument), leaving without a deal cannot be.
Sad, sad, sad.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Sad, sad, sad. It isn't only Renainers. We all lose when this hits the fan. The idea of winners and losers was always a fallacy and should never have happened, pitting people against each other. And an increasing number of people are realising that and realising they don't want a no deal Brexit in particular. Where is the justice for the majority of British people? As usual we end up living in and on the past. If you don't believe the majority would now go for Remain, let's have another plebiscite to find out.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Aug 19 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
But he does know that the referendum campaign never even mentioned a no deal Brexit so nobody can have actively voted for that. In fact the campaign always spoke about ‘the deal’ so if a no deal happens the referendum will have been fought on misinformation. Who’d a thought it
I'm not sure how you can seriously quibble over caring over the detail of what kind of leave is enacted as you have been arguing for that vote to be ignored. The form of 'leave' was for the politicians to sort out. The high stakes 'leave means remain' contingent mostly amongst the left within parliament has meant that a 'no deal' form of leave looks most likely. If 'remainers' had respected the referendum result they might have had May's terrible.....'practically not leaving' deal.....No one on either side really wanted that deal. Now we get 'no deal'....or what the EU come up with in mid to late October in their last ditch attempt to stop Britain proving that independence from the EU can, in fact, be successfully enacted. Few had 'no deal' as their preferred result but I'm certainly far happier about it than I was with May's deal.
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