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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 12.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well he is a pacifist when it would be in the interests of Britain to have to use force. But he is a sympathiser of terrorists when their cause is seen by him as anti-Uk or anti-American 'imperialism'.

I was rather hoping for a sensible answer.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 May 17 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was rather hoping for a sensible answer.

Nope, he's exactly right.

The IRA were still murdering our soldiers when he was refusing to condemn them but would condemn the actions of British security forces.

Corbyn is a terrible representative for the British state.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 May 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was rather hoping for a sensible answer.

In 1984, when questioned as to his motives for hosting two convicted IRA terrorists to tea in the House of Commons two weeks after the IRA Brighton attack, Corbyn said he was "a campaigner against imperialism in Ireland".

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 2.03pm

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 May 17 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's like you expect any of that to improve how people regard Corbyn with his relationship with the IRA.....For example the joke of splitting hairs between Sinn Fein and those carrying out the murders.

It shows the vast distance between the mindsets of the far left and the majority who aren't.

My brother went on a tour of northern Ireland back in the early eighties. I really don't appreciate this.

I've heard Corbyn back then giving interviews where he refusing to condemn IRA attacks yet slags off state operations.

Again....the far left are willing to say copper is gold....they think they are better but in reality they are no better than the Daily Mail.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 21 May 17 2.31pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

It's deafening the support he has given for the private prosecutions for the families of the Hyde Park bombings.

The man responsible for that is walking free due to a labour government.

Yet they have been denied legal aid countless times.

How much has the bloody sunday inquiry cost so far.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 21 May 17 2.31pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

How? I don't see it. May is going to win. It's a meter of by how many. How does that equate to 'changing of the guard'.

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 May 17 2.36pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

I disagree and think what we are seeing is the Tories facing up to the reality of an ageing population, a matter successive governments have failed to address, Corbyn looking to shore up his support in the party by issuing a 'radical' manifesto and Labours support moving back to its traditional core of 30%.

The hubris of the first few weeks polls for May were just hubris and I stick to my prediction, made at the time of the calling of the GE, that the Tories majority would be a maximum 30 seats.

The campaign will really get going from next week and if you think that is good for Corbyn, then you will be mistaken.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 May 17 2.52pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

The abuse of this word in current usage does make I larf.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 21 May 17 4.26pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

I disagree and think what we are seeing is the Tories facing up to the reality of an ageing population, a matter successive governments have failed to address, Corbyn looking to shore up his support in the party by issuing a 'radical' manifesto and Labours support moving back to its traditional core of 30%.

The hubris of the first few weeks polls for May were just hubris and I stick to my prediction, made at the time of the calling of the GE, that the Tories majority would be a maximum 30 seats.

The campaign will really get going from next week and if you think that is good for Corbyn, then you will be mistaken.


Let's see. What i find incredible is how incompetent the tory top branch have been since the manifesto was announced. Johnson, Fallon and Green have all failed to answer or messed up answers about costing and care. Either they are in disagreement with may, like hammond, or their incompetence has been massively underestimated by everyone.

They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous

 


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Originally posted by serial thriller

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

You guys. Ha ha.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 May 17 5.42pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller


Let's see. What i find incredible is how incompetent the tory top branch have been since the manifesto was announced. Johnson, Fallon and Green have all failed to answer or messed up answers about costing and care. Either they are in disagreement with may, like hammond, or their incompetence has been massively underestimated by everyone.

They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous

Whereas Jezza has covered himself in glory this weekend with the whole IRA thing and McDonnell & Abbott look like elder statespeople you could depend your mortgage & pension on?

Come off it. You know what is going to happen when people get to the point of voting. It doesn't mean that Hammond is an intellectual or economic giant but, in the eyes of the average voter, he is a safer pair of hands than McDonnell.

And therein, lies the major challenge for labour.

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