In your opinion , which is fine. The Tory party is not the parliamentary group but much wider.

Edited by HKOwen (01 Mar 2023 8.49pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

OK, but I think you know what I mean. It was the folk at central office who determined the strategy that got it so wrong.

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Indubitably

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

The world according to Wisbelch:

Throw away your dictionaries folks! If you want a definition of a word you must ask Wisbelch.

Hitler was not in power at the time of the 1930 Election. Jews and all other people aged of 21 voted in that election and Hitler’s success in it was due in a large part to the proportional representation system used. Hitler banned Jews and Gypsies from voting on 7 March 1936.

As for secret votes for MPs. Let’s say a bill is proposed that someone has a particular interest in - it may or may not be passed. That person enquires of their MP as to how they voted. The MP replies, “I won’t tell you, our voting is secret, but rest assured that I always vote in a way that is beneficial to my electorate and the wider country.”

Standing silently in a public street that you have a right to use, perhaps communing with your god, according to Wisbelch’s ‘logic’, is an intimidating demonstration.

As I frequently use dictionary quotes here, and have on this occasion too, you really do spout some nonsense. If one swallow doesn't make a summer, then one dictionary doesn't make a definitive answer. I challenged you to identify the dictionary of your youth, so that quote could be examined and verified. Nothing yet!

I know when Hitler came to power, and how. It is generally accepted that the election was fixed. Only when he was in power could he possibly have banned anyone. That he did is evidence enough.

How do you respond if someone asks you how you voted? In many cases you are likely to be open and tell them. In others the question is unnecessary because it's obvious through your opinions where your sentiments lie. You are though not obligated to answer. You can keep your own council, if you choose to. Exactly the same ought to apply to the MPs. They may want to be open, or be pressured by their local committee to share their views. The question is, do we get better government if MPs can always vote with their conscience, rather than always having to look over their shoulders at what others might think?

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Strategy is part of the role of Central Office who would certainly have been involved. I have no doubt at all about that. Big decisions of this kind are not taken just by a PM. Cameron was the face that launched this ship and eventually sunk it, but he would have been given advice and analysis from behind the scenes. Cameron had many other things to keep him busy.

This is an interesting analysis:-

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