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 chris123  hove actually 15 Aug 19 10.37am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Chlorine wash chicken is just an excuse the EU has used to protect it's farmers. The EU report clearly stated there was no problem with a chlorine wash which is used in pre packed salads. However its did state that use of it "might" lead to a lowering of compliance to health standards. In other words the abettor workers might get lazy and not do their job properly. Well you could say that about anything. In any case we do not have to sign a trade deal with the US if we don't want to. We have managed to trade with the US so far without one. Part of taking back control is for Parliament to make these decisions. It's funny how some can only see problems without solutions. How do they operate in business I wonder.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Aug 19 10.46am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Provided it is for a short time I think that is quite reasonable from JC. Every MP has his/her own brexit and they are not budging, it is like 650 dictators. Even Her Majesties broadcast for unity bombed. You know what I think, scrap it before there is civil war.
In principle there is nothing wrong in what he is suggesting. However there is a big difference in winning a no confidence motion in a Johnson government and then winning a confidence motion for a new Corbyn government. This current parliament has parallels with the one that Cromwell threw out my own preference is to call a GE after we have left.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Aug 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In principle there is nothing wrong in what he is suggesting. However there is a big difference in winning a no confidence motion in a Johnson government and then winning a confidence motion for a new Corbyn government. This current parliament has parallels with the one that Cromwell threw out my own preference is to call a GE after we have left. B you are just like they are !
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Aug 19 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You know I’ve been saying Brexit will result in the US and others forcing us to reduce food standards and give private companies the more lucrative areas of the NHS? Well, the first is getting ever closer. Have you any comment on the link I posted regarding the chlorinated salad and vegetables we import from the EU?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 19 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Chlorine wash chicken is just an excuse the EU has used to protect it's farmers. The EU report clearly stated there was no problem with a chlorine wash which is used in pre packed salads. However its did state that use of it "might" lead to a lowering of compliance to health standards. In other words the abettor workers might get lazy and not do their job properly. Well you could say that about anything. In any case we do not have to sign a trade deal with the US if we don't want to. We have managed to trade with the US so far without one. Part of taking back control is for Parliament to make these decisions. As someone who worked in the food industry I don't have any problem with chlorine washed chicken anymore than I do with GM which I believe is an essential part of securing the world's future food security. I do though have issues with the overuse of hormones in beef production. More than that though is the general approach to food standards in the USA when compared to the EU. The EU run a science based regime, where everything is subjected to fact checking and scrutiny before approval. If it isn't safe then you aren't going to be able to use it. The USA's approach is much less science based and more pragmatic. It's politically sensitive to the needs of the farmers and not to the consumers. In the age of Trump that isn't going to change. Nobody should fool themselves. Any new trade deals with the USA won't be designed by the USA to do anything other than benefit them, whilst Trump is the POTUS. In any case Pelosi has already said that no new trade deals will pass Congress that threaten the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement, thus shooting down everything Bolton said about an easy passage and cross party co-operation.
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Aug 19 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Provided it is for a short time I think that is quite reasonable from JC. But any hint of unity over brexit is shot down immediately, it has no chance. Every MP has his/her own brexit and they are not budging, it is like 650 dictators. Even Her Majesties broadcast for unity bombed. You know what I think, scrap it before there is civil war.
Do you really think JC would relinquish.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That story is getting borring. I bet loads of people wash their fruit under the tap before they eat it, common sence tells You to. Secondly I'll bet my house most of the remoaners that have been to the U.S. have eaten chicken and none have questioned if it's been washed. The remoaners are really clutching at straws, but I guess they Can enjoy their throat killed chicken that's had a song played to it, nope nothing wrong with that is there. And in any case if your really worried about EU standards.
Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Aug 2019 9.46am) It isn't about chlorinated chicken, that's just become a watch word. There are so many reasons this is a problem, standards are massively different. And it's not like the occasional breach in the standards, it's a whole different philosophy.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Have you any comment on the link I posted regarding the chlorinated salad and vegetables we import from the EU? I do I am not concerned about chlorination I am concerned that, by relying upon chlorination, the US pays less attention to other elements of its food chain. It has far more problems with serious food related illnesses than the EU, as I have previously posted too many times. I was in the US when the spinach crisis happened, that wasn't nice.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
It's funny how some can only see problems without solutions. How do they operate in business I wonder. If that's a pop at me, with caution when it comes to food, the treatment of vulnerable people or any other high risk area. The scale of potential issues is massive.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 19 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As someone who worked in the food industry I don't have any problem with chlorine washed chicken anymore than I do with GM which I believe is an essential part of securing the world's future food security. I do though have issues with the overuse of hormones in beef production. More than that though is the general approach to food standards in the USA when compared to the EU. The EU run a science based regime, where everything is subjected to fact checking and scrutiny before approval. If it isn't safe then you aren't going to be able to use it. The USA's approach is much less science based and more pragmatic. It's politically sensitive to the needs of the farmers and not to the consumers. In the age of Trump that isn't going to change. Nobody should fool themselves. Any new trade deals with the USA won't be designed by the USA to do anything other than benefit them, whilst Trump is the POTUS. In any case Pelosi has already said that no new trade deals will pass Congress that threaten the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement, thus shooting down everything Bolton said about an easy passage and cross party co-operation. I wouldn't mind knowing how a US trade deal threatens the Good Friday Agreement. The two are completely unrelated. If some terrorists kick off in NI then that has nothing to do with Britain's trade.
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Aug 19 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If that's a pop at me, with caution when it comes to food, the treatment of vulnerable people or any other high risk area. The scale of potential issues is massive. An observation on risk without any mitigation - which seems to me to be a recurring theme.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 15 Aug 19 6.48pm |
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Dunno how we've got onto chlorine washed chickens, desperation I suppose! Ever more instances of ridiculous fear mongering will manifest as the dying corpse of remain rattles it's last breath. We manage the gas leak detection monitoring at several massive chicken slaughter houses and believe me, a spray of chlorine is not going to make any difference to the safety of consuming the birds.
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