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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Grumbles 26 Apr 22 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by W12
You buying this? No it's a dud. Not worth spending my money on.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Apr 22 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by W12
You buying this? Barbecue kit fail.
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| Grumbles 26 Apr 22 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Barbecue kit fail. You make a flower pot tandoor oven like this.
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| W12 26 Apr 22 9.02pm | |
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| W12 26 Apr 22 9.16pm | |
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Stirlingsays  26 Apr 22 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by W12
[Tweet Link]Let's hope it's fake news. The Poles are usually the most aggressive towards Russia, for completely understandable reasons.....many Ukrainians being ethnically Polish themselves.
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cryrst  The garden of England 26 Apr 22 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by W12
You buying this? How much as I love a bit of frag
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Apr 22 10.20pm |
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Always good to know. The instructions are completely different to the pictures, which makes it intriguing.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Apr 22 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Let's hope it's fake news. The Poles are usually the most aggressive towards Russia, for completely understandable reasons.....many Ukrainians being ethnically Polish themselves. The Poles will probably attack some brave radio station whilst on air.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 22 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I disagree with how Wisbech frames the positions and his resolution for war. I'm always stuck by those who are actually physically frightened by violence themselves always seem to become remarkably bellicose when it's others who would actually be doing the fighting. I think if you want others to throw punches then you need to be one of those willing to throw them yourself. I noted quite early the difference in attitude between the Pentagon....actual people trained for war and the State department's Blinken.....The Pentagon being far more cautious as they are actually aware of just what the stakes are.....tens of millions could die. It really has to be a last resort....painting a reluctance for war and a striving for peace as 'appeasement' is a dis-serve to those who die in pointless wars that could have been avoided or shortened. There is no actual war existing between my country and Russia, those who act like there is are much more likely to enable it. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2022 7.52pm) I am not the least bit "physically frightened" by violence. I loath violence and think it should always be the last resort. If it is required then it needs to be left to those physically capable and appropriately trained. I am neither. What I especially detest is a macho attitude, which sees violence as a first response to disagreements. I dislike bullies. Putin is a bully. He started this war. Ukraine had no choice other than to respond, and we had no moral choice other than to help them in any way which is compliant with Nato's defensive mandate. Ukraine doesn't want to continue a day longer, or lose a single life more, than is absolutely necessary. Helping them shorten the war by supplying the means to do that and bringing Putin to serious negotiations, potentially saves lives and avoids violence. Whether the Pentagon and Mr Blinken are playing good cop/bad cop isn't known to me, but it makes sense, and wouldn't be the first time. We all want peace, but it must be a proper peace. One that is secured by strength, and not one capable of being blown away on a whim by Putin. Show him any weakness, and he will just walk all over you. Making a weak deal could easily cost many more lives. That's why it's appeasement and why it doesn't work. The sanctions must remain in place and only be removed slowly in return for verifiable commitments from Russia. They must be like a prisoner released on licence. One transgression and the shackles come back on again.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 22 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not the least bit "physically frightened" by violence. I loath violence and think it should always be the last resort. If it is required then it needs to be left to those physically capable and appropriately trained. I am neither. What I especially detest is a macho attitude, which sees violence as a first response to disagreements. I dislike bullies. Putin is a bully. He started this war. Ukraine had no choice other than to respond, and we had no moral choice other than to help them in any way which is compliant with Nato's defensive mandate. Ukraine doesn't want to continue a day longer, or lose a single life more, than is absolutely necessary. Helping them shorten the war by supplying the means to do that and bringing Putin to serious negotiations, potentially saves lives and avoids violence. Whether the Pentagon and Mr Blinken are playing good cop/bad cop isn't known to me, but it makes sense, and wouldn't be the first time. We all want peace, but it must be a proper peace. One that is secured by strength, and not one capable of being blown away on a whim by Putin. Show him any weakness, and he will just walk all over you. Making a weak deal could easily cost many more lives. That's why it's appeasement and why it doesn't work. The sanctions must remain in place and only be removed slowly in return for verifiable commitments from Russia. They must be like a prisoner released on licence. One transgression and the shackles come back on again. You are entitled to your opinions. Personally I believe that only lip service is being applied to peace and men lives are needlessly being thrown away in the south and east. They are outgunned and it's a mincer. To me it appears that Nato want to seriously militarise Ukraine once Russia have taken the east and southern areas but not in time to fight them there.....but to stand off. This means that eastern and southern army of about 50,000 are lost. I'm not someone who thinks its ok to throw away tens of thousands of troops holding an impossible line. I pray most are taken prisoner and returned rather than lost once encirclement is finiahed. Ukraine will have to negotiate in a position where they have already lost the territory that Russia wants and thrown away the bulk of their experienced troops on an impossible task. The Ukraine and its government are the State department's pawns. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2022 11.37pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Apr 22 12.05am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To be fair there are plenty of high level strategists who were arguing for different approaches to the Ukraine for many years. Their pre war lectures are not hard to find. At what point does the accusation of hindsight become an excuse for poor policy choices? Never. What I would like is a solution for now not hand wringing about how we got here.
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