I think I've been a tad more hopeful that a change of leadership might be a positive than some on here, but I may well be proved wrong, who knows. Maybe everything is a different incarnation of the same rigged game. A bit of a depressing thought.

How can it be fear-mongering when I stated two facts? This is half the problem; the debate has now reached a point where every and any concern or problem with brexit is dismissed as project fear - as I said above, this £2.1bn budget allocation would’ve been dismissed as project fear 2 years ago , and a year before that the very notion of no deal would’ve been - easiest trade deal in history, remember?

£2.1bn is certainly not a drop in the ocean - remember the uproar at the £9m expenditure on pro-remain leaflets? There are countless examples of extreme cuts by this government to save amounts considerably less than £2.1bn, but alas the magic money tree appears again.

The trade deal would have been a lot easier without remainers in parliament giving succor to the EU.

Like I said, it is them who have bought us here to this situation.

You are guilty of cherry picking statements from the leave side and presenting it as 'the position'.

Personally I have always stated that leaving the EU would be a up and down five years....many others have said similar. That doesn't change my view that it has to happen as the first step to this country regaining independence from too much undemocratically pooled sovereignty that was never agreed to in the first place.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The trade deal should be easily agreed by Boris then - we’ll see.

It’s amazing how many leavers knew exactly the turmoil to be expected, despite no-deal never being discussed pre-referendum.
Similarly, it’s amazing how many leavers now claim economics was nothing to do with their decision - I guess the famous bus and all of the debate around fiscal contributions to the EU were for remainers benefit only. (I do not claim to know your personal position at the time of the referendum - I am generalising).

Speaking of undemocratically pooled sovereignty; I can’t wait to see how our unelected leader, who heads a party without a majority, delivers something for which there is no democratic mandate to do - that’s real democracy!

If we are so skint you won't mind us taking it out of foreign aid then.

Well said. The amount we spend on this is ridiculous when our own public services are stretched to the limit. How much actually goes to the areas that need it? We are still asked to contribute by celebrities to clean up water in Africa...why? after decades of foreign aid? Still it helped Mugabe buy a fleet of limosines and allowed India (who I believe have more billionaires per capita than any other country but still an enormous amount of poverty) to introduce a flourishing Space Industry so at least it does do some good.