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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 15 4.49pm |
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You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
I've lived with foreign families as neighbours for most of my life and given the choice I'd prefer to have families next to me that I felt a cultural bond with.....If that family were culturally British then it wouldn't matter but I don't think Matt meant that. Though no doubt there are foreign families I'd get along brilliantly with......But given the choice I don't see what having that opinion is so shocking. For most of the country I'd suspect would prefer to live in a cultural community that was similar to them.....That's true for immigrants as well....It's partly why you get ghettos in the first place. At the moment one side of me are young Eastern Europeans....Always sodding parking in other people's spaces and driving too fast...Don't communicate and look unwashed.....The other side of me is an old British bloke....His been quite helpful since I've moved in and looked out for us when we've been out. No doubt if I spoke their language or we felt some bond with each other I'd get on better with these Eastern Europeans....But given the choice I prefer neighbours who shared a sense of community.
I'm saying if others would prefer to have neighbours that they shared some bond with then that's fine to state. it's fine to say it....Nothing wrong with having a preference. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2015 4.42pm)
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Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family. Also Kermit you never answered my question of who you will vote for?
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Quote nickgusset at 22 Feb 2015 4.49pm
Or to put it simply, Stirling doesn't want foreign neighbours and that's why he's a UKIP voter.
Foreigners will still be with us whoever gets in....Even if UKIP did....Just not in the same ridiculous numbers.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Feb 15 4.57pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family. Also Kermit you never answered my question of who you will vote for?
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
I would have absolutely zero problem with any family moving in next door as long as they weren't anti-social. How about yourself? If a Somali family moved in next to you?
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 4.57pm
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family. Also Kermit you never answered my question of who you will vote for?
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
I would have absolutely zero problem with any family moving in next door as long as they weren't anti-social. How about yourself? If a Somali family moved in next to you? You were using tricks and cheap labelling to make me look racist. It is a common theme of yours, despite the fact that you have chosen not live around people of different cultures. Everyone is racist or a fascist except you and I can't help but think that all of your rants on race, and labelling others as racist, is somewhat at odds with your actions and could be construed as masking your true thoughts. I have said it before on here. I like Africans and socalise with Africans, which is something you don't do. I found most Africans to be courteous, welcoming hosts and hold conservative values which I largely concur with. I would be happy with neighbours of any race as long as they were respectful neighbours. I have a Bangladeshi family living next door and they are nice people. What are going to try and engineer against me next in order to make yourself feel better about yourself? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 5.11pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 15 5.20pm |
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Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
I would have absolutely zero problem with any family moving in next door as long as they weren't anti-social. How about yourself? If a Somali family moved in next to you? You were using tricks and cheap labelling to make me look racist. It is a common theme of yours, despite the fact that you have chosen not live around people of different cultures. Everyone is racist or a fascist except you and I can't help but think that all of your rants on race, and labelling others as racist, is somewhat at odds with your actions and could be construed as masking your true thoughts. I have said it before on here. I like Africans and socalise with Africans, which is something you don't do. I found most Africans to be courteous, welcoming hosts and hold conservative values which I largely concur with. I would be happy with neighbours of any race as long as they were respectful neighbours. I have a Bangladeshi family living next door and they are nice people. What are going to try and engineer against me next in order to make yourself feel better about yourself? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 5.11pm)
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Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
I would have absolutely zero problem with any family moving in next door as long as they weren't anti-social. How about yourself? If a Somali family moved in next to you? You were using tricks and cheap labelling to make me look racist. It is a common theme of yours, despite the fact that you have chosen not live around people of different cultures. Everyone is racist or a fascist except you and I can't help but think that all of your rants on race, and labelling others as racist, is somewhat at odds with your actions and could be construed as masking your true thoughts. I have said it before on here. I like Africans and socalise with Africans, which is something you don't do. I found most Africans to be courteous, welcoming hosts and hold conservative values which I largely concur with. I would be happy with neighbours of any race as long as they were respectful neighbours. I have a Bangladeshi family living next door and they are nice people. What are going to try and engineer against me next in order to make yourself feel better about yourself? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 5.11pm)
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
I would have absolutely zero problem with any family moving in next door as long as they weren't anti-social. How about yourself? If a Somali family moved in next to you? You were using tricks and cheap labelling to make me look racist. It is a common theme of yours, despite the fact that you have chosen not live around people of different cultures. Everyone is racist or a fascist except you and I can't help but think that all of your rants on race, and labelling others as racist, is somewhat at odds with your actions and could be construed as masking your true thoughts. I have said it before on here. I like Africans and socalise with Africans, which is something you don't do. I found most Africans to be courteous, welcoming hosts and hold conservative values which I largely concur with. I would be happy with neighbours of any race as long as they were respectful neighbours. I have a Bangladeshi family living next door and they are nice people. What are going to try and engineer against me next in order to make yourself feel better about yourself? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 5.11pm)
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 5.01pm
Green Party, I think. Had to put an 'X' somewhere. I honestly can't remember but I do know it was none of the main parties.
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I do wish Matt and Nick would delete the old posts when they re-submit these skillfully disguised love letters to each other. Save me having to scroll down so far. Some of us like being lazy.
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