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Midlands Eagle 29 Jul 19 2.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not really getting Boris's position on Brexit since he announced that there would be no early GE. If that's the case why all the apparent certainty that we are leaving on 31th October when the MP stats don't add up? Does he have a dirty tricks plan that no one is aware of? Can he just time it out without the remainers in Parliament refusing to accept a 'no deal'. Surely all Boris has to do is absolutely nothing. We have given notice to the EU that we are leaving on 31st October and if we haven't managed to sort out a deal to take to Parliament we will just leave without one
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not really getting Boris's position on Brexit since he announced that there would be no early GE.

If that's the case why all the apparent certainty that we are leaving on 31th October when the MP stats don't add up?

Does he have a dirty tricks plan that no one is aware of? Can he just time it out without the remainers in Parliament refusing to accept a 'no deal'.

Surely all Boris has to do is absolutely nothing. We have given notice to the EU that we are leaving on 31st October and if we haven't managed to sort out a deal to take to Parliament we will just leave without one

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Stirlingsays 29 Jul 19 4.26pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle If Trump has taught you anything, Stirly, its that it is futile to attempt to understand the logic of a f***ing pathological liar who has all the foresight and strategic planning chops of a goldfish with brain damage. Good morning...or should I say moaning Mainey......I assume it's morning where you are. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jul 19 4.26pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

If Trump has taught you anything, Stirly, its that it is futile to attempt to understand the logic of a f***ing pathological liar who has all the foresight and strategic planning chops of a goldfish with brain damage.

Good morning...or should I say moaning Mainey......I assume it's morning where you are.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 29 Jul 19 4.28pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely all Boris has to do is absolutely nothing. We have given notice to the EU that we are leaving on 31st October and if we haven't managed to sort out a deal to take to Parliament we will just leave without one I suspect it isn't going to be that easy but I hope you're right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jul 19 4.28pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I suspect it isn't going to be that easy but I hope you're right.

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becky over the moon 29 Jul 19 4.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I suspect it isn't going to be that easy but I hope you're right. I doubt that they have the right to extend the deadline unilaterally - we were only able to extend with their agreement, so it must work both ways. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 29 Jul 19 4.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I suspect it isn't going to be that easy but I hope you're right.

I doubt that they have the right to extend the deadline unilaterally - we were only able to extend with their agreement, so it must work both ways.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 29 Jul 19 4.52pm
Originally posted by becky I doubt that they have the right to extend the deadline unilaterally - we were only able to extend with their agreement, so it must work both ways. I hope that's right.....I could see them extending it and then parliament forcing a vote to accept the extension. I suppose the government could just ignore the vote if the remainers won it? I don't know. It's not boring anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jul 2019 4.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jul 19 4.52pm

Originally posted by becky

I doubt that they have the right to extend the deadline unilaterally - we were only able to extend with their agreement, so it must work both ways.

I hope that's right.....I could see them extending it and then parliament forcing a vote to accept the extension.

I suppose the government could just ignore the vote if the remainers won it? I don't know.

It's not boring anyway.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 8.56pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely all Boris has to do is absolutely nothing. We have given notice to the EU that we are leaving on 31st October and if we haven't managed to sort out a deal to take to Parliament we will just leave without one I suspect Parliament would have something to say about that. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 8.56pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I suspect Parliament would have something to say about that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Invalid user 2019 29 Jul 19 10.47pm
My gut tells me that there will be a Theresa May-like deal with a Boris stamp on it. I still have no idea really though.. and three years in!
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29 Jul 19 10.47pm

My gut tells me that there will be a Theresa May-like deal with a Boris stamp on it. I still have no idea really though.. and three years in!

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 29 Jul 19 10.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Good morning...or should I say moaning Mainey......I assume it's morning where you are. [Link] "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 29 Jul 19 10.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Good morning...or should I say moaning Mainey......I assume it's morning where you are.

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Jul 19 10.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect Parliament would have something to say about that. Please explain what they could do about it? Vote of no confidence? Bring it on, as Labour have gone, I suspect some of the Tory Brexit busters will either be de-selected or lose their seats (those whose constituents voted to leave). I can forsee the Brexit party targeting seats in, mainly Labour constituencies, where they voted to leave but the MP has tried to derail Brexit eg Yvette Cooper with the Tories probably not even contesting them
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Horsham 29 Jul 19 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect Parliament would have something to say about that.

Please explain what they could do about it? Vote of no confidence? Bring it on, as Labour have gone, I suspect some of the Tory Brexit busters will either be de-selected or lose their seats (those whose constituents voted to leave).
I can forsee the Brexit party targeting seats in, mainly Labour constituencies, where they voted to leave but the MP has tried to derail Brexit eg Yvette Cooper with the Tories probably not even contesting them

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 30 Jul 19 5.40pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Insulting?, it's taking the positive out of a slave having the power to rise against their owner's. Its not a literal comparison. Darling how was your day "I've been working like a slave all day" Anyone ever heard of that or a similar term? I bet they wernt offended then!!! It's a pretty s*** metaphor really. For starters slaves had no say in the matter. If anything it makes her look even more stupid. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 30 Jul 19 5.40pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Insulting?, it's taking the positive out of a slave having the power to rise against their owner's. Its not a literal comparison.

Darling how was your day "I've been working like a slave all day"
Anyone ever heard of that or a similar term?
I bet they wernt offended then!!!

It's a pretty s*** metaphor really. For starters slaves had no say in the matter. If anything it makes her look even more stupid.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Matov 31 Jul 19 12.04am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not really getting Boris's position on Brexit since he announced that there would be no early GE. If that's the case why all the apparent certainty that we are leaving on 31th October when the MP stats don't add up? Does he have a dirty tricks plan that no one is aware of? Can he just time it out without the remainers in Parliament refusing to accept a 'no deal'. Is he expecting the EU to just not extend the deadline if he refuses to ask for one? Because I can see them calling that bluff and extending it anyway......Maybe he can refuse the extension without Parliament's approval. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jul 2019 1.39pm) Decided to stick my toe back into the political waters now that the mud has cleared a little. For me the key to understanding it all is the Dominic Cummings/Gove partnership in essentially taking control of the No Deal preparations. One hell of a combination and sending a crystal clear message. This is a s* or bust, in less than 100 days, piece of political theatre. Johnson is a student of history. And knows that his entire political legacy rests on one single date. October 31st, 2019. If we are still in the EU come November 1st he will be remembered as a failure. Nothing else matters to him now. He has effectively burnt all the Remain bridges. His insistence on not sitting down to talk to the EU until it drops the backstop means he is gambling everything on it either backing down or else Parliament forces him, and it will require Conservative rebels to effectively collapse their own Government, to fight an election on a simple No Deal narrative. And that is winnable. Lose all the rebels, replace them with people willing to do what their manifesto promises and do a deal with the Brexit Party. And Johnson strolls an October election. 30-40 seat majority. Maybe even stand aside in certain seats for Brexit candidates. With a Labour Party torn to bits as the Lib-Dems effectively cripple them. No way they will combine because Labours northern MP's will be up in arms. A suicide pact for Labour. My own prediction is that Corbyn will bottle calling a vote of no confidence and that Johnson might get us out on October 31st on the back of Labour rebels abstaining on votes designed to stop at it. In terms of the EU, I suspect they will not blink until at least the middle of September but Brexit will be decided by the end of that month. Also interesting noises from Ireland. A hard-border destroys them. 85% of their exports have to cross it compared to less than half of 1% of ours. That reality is starting to hit home. I was wary of Johnson. Still am. But the makeup of his cabinet along with that Cummings/Gove combination has caused me to concede that perhaps, and it is a huge perhaps, he might actually deliver on what he has said he would. Halloween is Johnsons date with destiny. No other way of looking at it. Might be worth stocking up on the fireworks early because it could be a wonderful night! But if November 1st dawns with that s*ty flag not having one less star, Brexit is over. A truly historic few weeks await us. Edited by Matov (31 Jul 2019 12.09am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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31 Jul 19 12.04am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not really getting Boris's position on Brexit since he announced that there would be no early GE.

If that's the case why all the apparent certainty that we are leaving on 31th October when the MP stats don't add up?

Does he have a dirty tricks plan that no one is aware of? Can he just time it out without the remainers in Parliament refusing to accept a 'no deal'.

Is he expecting the EU to just not extend the deadline if he refuses to ask for one? Because I can see them calling that bluff and extending it anyway......Maybe he can refuse the extension without Parliament's approval.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jul 2019 1.39pm)

Decided to stick my toe back into the political waters now that the mud has cleared a little.

For me the key to understanding it all is the Dominic Cummings/Gove partnership in essentially taking control of the No Deal preparations. One hell of a combination and sending a crystal clear message. This is a s*** or bust, in less than 100 days, piece of political theatre.

Johnson is a student of history. And knows that his entire political legacy rests on one single date. October 31st, 2019.

If we are still in the EU come November 1st he will be remembered as a failure. Nothing else matters to him now.

He has effectively burnt all the Remain bridges. His insistence on not sitting down to talk to the EU until it drops the backstop means he is gambling everything on it either backing down or else Parliament forces him, and it will require Conservative rebels to effectively collapse their own Government, to fight an election on a simple No Deal narrative.

And that is winnable. Lose all the rebels, replace them with people willing to do what their manifesto promises and do a deal with the Brexit Party. And Johnson strolls an October election. 30-40 seat majority. Maybe even stand aside in certain seats for Brexit candidates. With a Labour Party torn to bits as the Lib-Dems effectively cripple them. No way they will combine because Labours northern MP's will be up in arms. A suicide pact for Labour.

My own prediction is that Corbyn will bottle calling a vote of no confidence and that Johnson might get us out on October 31st on the back of Labour rebels abstaining on votes designed to stop at it.

In terms of the EU, I suspect they will not blink until at least the middle of September but Brexit will be decided by the end of that month.

Also interesting noises from Ireland. A hard-border destroys them. 85% of their exports have to cross it compared to less than half of 1% of ours. That reality is starting to hit home.

I was wary of Johnson. Still am. But the makeup of his cabinet along with that Cummings/Gove combination has caused me to concede that perhaps, and it is a huge perhaps, he might actually deliver on what he has said he would.

Halloween is Johnsons date with destiny. No other way of looking at it. Might be worth stocking up on the fireworks early because it could be a wonderful night!

But if November 1st dawns with that s***ty flag not having one less star, Brexit is over. A truly historic few weeks await us.

Edited by Matov (31 Jul 2019 12.09am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 31 Jul 19 12.17am
Originally posted by Matov Decided to stick my toe back into the political waters now that the mud has cleared a little. For me the key to understanding it all is the Dominic Cummings/Gove partnership in essentially taking control of the No Deal preparations. One hell of a combination and sending a crystal clear message. This is a s* or bust, in less than 100 days, piece of political theatre. Johnson is a student of history. And knows that his entire political legacy rests on one single date. October 31st, 2019. If we are still in the EU come November 1st he will be remembered as a failure. Nothing else matters to him now. He has effectively burnt all the Remain bridges. His insistence on not sitting down to talk to the EU until it drops the backstop means he is gambling everything on it either backing down or else Parliament forces him, and it will require Conservative rebels to effectively collapse their own Government, to fight an election on a simple No Deal narrative. And that is winnable. Lose all the rebels, replace them with people willing to do what their manifesto promises and do a deal with the Brexit Party. And Johnson strolls an October election. 30-40 seat majority. Maybe even stand aside in certain seats for Brexit candidates. With a Labour Party torn to bits as the Lib-Dems effectively cripple them. No way they will combine because Labours northern MP's will be up in arms. A suicide pact for Labour. My own prediction is that Corbyn will bottle calling a vote of no confidence and that Johnson might get us out on October 31st on the back of Labour rebels abstaining on votes designed to stop at it. In terms of the EU, I suspect they will not blink until at least the middle of September but Brexit will be decided by the end of that month. Also interesting noises from Ireland. A hard-border destroys them. 85% of their exports have to cross it compared to less than half of 1% of ours. That reality is starting to hit home. I was wary of Johnson. Still am. But the makeup of his cabinet along with that Cummings/Gove combination has caused me to concede that perhaps, and it is a huge perhaps, he might actually deliver on what he has said he would. Halloween is Johnsons date with destiny. No other way of looking at it. Might be worth stocking up on the fireworks early because it could be a wonderful night! But if November 1st dawns with that s*ty flag not having one less star, Brexit is over. A truly historic few weeks await us. Edited by Matov (31 Jul 2019 12.09am) Yep good post, however Johnson has denied an early election but perhaps that's just an early chess move to quieten debate on it at this stage. I agree, I think he wins an election, especially one fought on Brexit with him out front and centre making a pact with Farage. At the moment he appears to be going for the 'time out' option.....I'm skeptical about it working but hopeful if that's the choice. As for Johnson himself, yep I agree. While my vote is with Johnson as a election winner I very much view him as the best of a poor bunch. He doesn't seem to believe in much and comes across as the typical neo liberal GDP Tory.....though hopefully with a much higher commitment to free speech and at least we should get him ditching all the ridiculous feminism BS that May infected the party with. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jul 2019 12.19am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Jul 19 12.17am

Originally posted by Matov