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 matt_himself  Matataland 22 Feb 15 3.48pm |
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Other Party leaders don't have this kind of form and why UKIP has to come under a special kind of scrutiny. This from a teacher at establishment friendly Dulwich College. "A LETTER written by a teacher at Nigel Farage’s high school reveals concerns that the Ukip leader was racist or fascist began when he was just a teenager. The letter, uncovered by Channel 4 News and written in June 1981 by a young English teacher named Chloe Deakin, begged Dulwich College’s head teacher not to allow Farage to become a school prefect due to the boy’s fascist tendencies. The letter says that at a meeting to discuss the school’s new prefects one teacher described Farage as "a fascist”. Deakin noted that there was "considerable reaction" to Farage’s proposed prefecture from a number of teachers who thought the boy was "racist" and "fascist" or "neo-fascist". The letter says: "Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect”. The letter also said that while he was at cadet camp, Farage and a number of other cadets had marched through a quiet Sussex village late at night singing Hitler-youth songs."
What teenagers do....Which don't involve breaking the law.... really shouldn't be used later on some kind of stick to beat them. Farage doesn't appear to be the type who takes himself that seriously and I imagine winding up lefty teachers would have been apart of his remit. The opinions of....these lefty type teachers about Farage hold no water....Aside from it being unprofessional of them....The fact is Farage joined the Tories and that's the extent of what can be reliably said.
Some psychologists believe that 18 year olds with fascist/neo nazi tendencies are more than likely to hold on to those same views pretty much throughout their lives. Not saying Nige is definitely one of those but worth keeping an eye on him just in case imo. So I guess the same must be said for Peter Mandelson, Harriet Harmen and all the other Labour grandees, who in their youth were supporters of groups seeking violent revolution or promoting groups like PIE? These people are noticeably off of Kermit's 'danger list'? Why would that be?
The zenith of their political careers are long gone so they don't need to be under the scrutiny spotlight so much now. The hooman race btw in answer to you earlier question. Stop being so obsessed with pigmentation. 'white this..' 'African that...' Read over your posts. You mention skin colour way more often than is reasonable. Getting defensive. Interesting. Ever think you are obsessed with labelling people racist? Look at your posts. Riddled with it. Why would that be?
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Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Why would that be? Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.57pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Feb 15 3.59pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 3.54pm
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Feb 15 4.07pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 2.38pm
It was a serious incident stirling. The potential UKIP voters have a right to know about it and make up their own minds. Some psychologists believe that 18 year olds with fascist/neo nazi tendencies are more than likely to hold on to those same views pretty much throughout their lives. Not saying Nige is definitely one of those but worth keeping an eye on him just in case imo.
What some psychologists think gives jack s*** validity to anything quite frankly. My aunt down the road thinks she's Elvis...blah blah. This is pure anti UKIP propaganda dressed up to fear monger......The typical example of the lefty moaners of the Daily Mail using the Daily Mail style themselves.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Feb 15 4.10pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 22 Feb 2015 3.16pm
Your the one with the problem. You are constantly looking to twist words. Noteworthy for the fact that you didn't respond when cornered, which is a trademark of Kermit - accuse then run. If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm)
Mind you I don't reckon I could have ever caught up to her to ask her out.......*bang....First stereotype joke of the day.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 22 Feb 15 4.16pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
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| Stirlingsays 22 Feb 15 4.26pm |
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You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
I've lived with foreign families as neighbours for most of my life and given the choice I'd prefer to have families next to me that I felt a cultural bond with.....If that family were culturally British then it wouldn't matter but I don't think Matt meant that. Though no doubt there are foreign families I'd get along brilliantly with......But given the choice I don't see what having that opinion is so shocking. For most of the country I'd suspect would prefer to live in a cultural community that was similar to them.....That's true for immigrants as well....It's partly why you get ghettos in the first place. At the moment one side of me are young Eastern Europeans....Always sodding parking in other people's spaces and driving too fast...Don't communicate and look unwashed.....The other side of me is an old British bloke....His been quite helpful since I've moved in and looked out for us when we've been out. No doubt if I spoke their language or we felt some bond with each other I'd get on better with these Eastern Europeans....But given the choice I prefer neighbours who shared a sense of community.
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Feb 15 4.32pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 22 Feb 2015 1.05pm
Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 3.56pm)
You are looking quite desperate. You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
You have chosen to live in one of the least mixed race areas of the country yet lecture those of us who live in London on how we should think about multiculturalism. I was challenging you on whether you would be happy about a family moving in next door to you who was different from the norm in your area. You still haven't answered the question and have used every trick in the book to make it that was me labelling Somali as negative.
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Feb 15 4.33pm |
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Your the one with the problem. You are constantly looking to twist words. Noteworthy for the fact that you didn't respond when cornered, which is a trademark of Kermit - accuse then run. If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm)
Mind you I don't reckon I could have ever caught up to her to ask her out.......*bang....First stereotype joke of the day. Use roofies. Very effective.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Feb 15 4.35pm |
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You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
I've lived with foreign families as neighbours for most of my life and given the choice I'd prefer to have families next to me that I felt a cultural bond with.....If that family were culturally British then it wouldn't matter but I don't think Matt meant that. Though no doubt there are foreign families I'd get along brilliantly with......But given the choice I don't see what having that opinion is so shocking. For most of the country I'd suspect would prefer to live in a cultural community that was similar to them.....That's true for immigrants as well....It's partly why you get ghettos in the first place. At the moment one side of me are young Eastern Europeans....Always sodding parking in other people's spaces and driving too fast...Don't communicate and look unwashed.....The other side of me is an old British bloke....His been quite helpful since I've moved in and looked out for us when we've been out. No doubt if I spoke their language or we felt some bond with each other I'd get on better with these Eastern Europeans....But given the choice I prefer neighbours who shared a sense of community.
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Interesting reactions to Kermit's post/link. It seems there is a UKIP politician (not voter) whose distaste for black people is such she wouldn't sit next to one at a meal.Presumably none of the pro-UKIP posters on here would vote for her if she stood as a candidate in their council elections. If anyone on here wants to defend her sentiments as being no kind of any problem in a politician of any party,then fair enough and I wait with bated breath to hear why and how. But,a reaction of just suggesting Kermit is inferring every UKIP voter must be like her (which would be nonsense) is something he plainly wasn't saying in his post and does seem to be a stock response of some about any concerns expressed about why some people with questionable views might be attracted to UKIP. Similarly,the suggestion that her seemingly abhorrent racism equates to suggesting all labour/tory voters must condone child abuse or tax avoidance is plain silly,as plain silly as suggesting all UKIP voters are racist,which is precisely what Kermit didn't suggest. Of course its valid to query a politician who advocates fighting tax avoidance if they themselves engage in it and there have been plenty of psts on here dong just that.Politicians are hypocrites,what's new? But,that hardly equates to a politician refusing to eat with a black person,or does in some people's eyes?Her behaviour /views isn't hypocrisy but something far more insidious. We avoid tax, almost all of us, in some way when we can.Has anyone on here never stayed 5 minutes over at a parking meter and not paid extra,thus avoiding a parking tax imposed by a local authority? Smokers/drinkers never brought in more duty free cigs or booze than the duty-free limit? Would that be the same as any of us being racists? Would that mean none of us could oppose multi-nationals avoiding tax through clever schemes thought up by expensive accountants? Plainly, loads of people intending to vote for UKIP are not motivated by racism or an antipathy to other cultures or even by an antipathy to immigration,but it seems some may be motivated in part by the first. The question of why UKIP appeals to such people is interesting and valid. Edited by legaleagle (22 Feb 2015 1.10pm)
See. Saves a lot of time.
No. so you do have issues.
If I had such a problem with race, would I be in a relationship with a Ghanian? Pray tell, what race is your 'partner'? Edited by matt_himself (22 Feb 2015 3.17pm) Also Kerm's, you never answered whether you would be happy living next door to a Somali family. I can't help but think that all this stuff you have slung at me about this question, gives off the impression that you are deflecting the question because you don't want to live next door to a Somali family. Also Kermit you never answered my question of who you will vote for?
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 4.16pm
You wrote this:
Could you explain again - but more believable this time - how you weren't, most certainly not, not in a million years, giving the impression that living next door to a Somali family was a negative?
I've lived with foreign families as neighbours for most of my life and given the choice I'd prefer to have families next to me that I felt a cultural bond with.....If that family were culturally British then it wouldn't matter but I don't think Matt meant that. Though no doubt there are foreign families I'd get along brilliantly with......But given the choice I don't see what having that opinion is so shocking. For most of the country I'd suspect would prefer to live in a cultural community that was similar to them.....That's true for immigrants as well....It's partly why you get ghettos in the first place. At the moment one side of me are young Eastern Europeans....Always sodding parking in other people's spaces and driving too fast...Don't communicate and look unwashed.....The other side of me is an old British bloke....His been quite helpful since I've moved in and looked out for us when we've been out. No doubt if I spoke their language or we felt some bond with each other I'd get on better with these Eastern Europeans....But given the choice I prefer neighbours who shared a sense of community.
I'm saying if others would prefer to have neighbours that they shared some bond with then that's fine to state. it's fine to say it....Nothing wrong with having a preference. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2015 4.42pm)
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