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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 19 4.33am
Originally posted by dollardays They wouldn't need to even intend to teach it though. As part of a traditional male-female relationship discussion or depiction, the couples discussed wouldn't necessarily both be of the same race. And if they aren't of the same race is that a problem? Do you see that as 'promotion' of that type of relationship to children? Statistically mixed race relationships aren't even close to same race relationships. So as a depiction of reality it would be on the minor scale. However, as race relationships seems quite a bizarre topic to specifically teach children it isn't something I have much of a view on.....other than, why are you teaching that when the darlings can't even spell properly. Originally posted by dollardays Views concerning mixed race relationships have massively changed over time, down to a societal view of how acceptable they are and this would be a demonstration of that. It wouldn't even have to be an intentional one. There has been a change but I think it can be over emphasized. The statistics of who people ultimately mate with shows that all groups have a strong in built group preference independent of the community we are talking about....Asian, Black, White. If that weren't the case the country would be far more mixed at this stage than it is. It's the birth rates and immigration my man....the big picture...not about Lucy and Lennox getting it on. Originally posted by dollardays Just, again, a reflection of society. I pointed out Viktor Orbáns view, race mixing, he's certainly not in favour of it for his country. And you yourself have been very clear about how adamant you are about the European genes continuing on, in your family and the country as a whole, about the potential of being 'mixed out of existence' or mixes that don't particularly herald from or have an obvious connection to any one place. So are you against this type of relationship being depicted too? And if not, is that because you think it's absolutely fine to, or because unlike Hungary there is not the numbers or public opinion to push against it? I'm not against it being depicted as it's a reality. Again, in my view, the age matters but also why it's being done. Originally posted by dollardays Look at stats from the US and elsewhere going back decades. People almost universally used to believe that mixed race relationships were wrong. Can you really say in all sincerity that depictions of mixed race couples in school, or on TV or anywhere is any less of a legitimisation of that when we can very much see with our own eyes and from public view that is the case? That's perfectly okay with me, but is it not, with the changes it brings, diametrically opposite to your vision for the country? Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 3.59am) On the contrary I think the racial divide in the US is as large as it ever was. The US is a collection of states and obviously attitudes will vary depending upon the demographics of those states. I'm not against someone who falls in love with someone of another race. An individual acts in accordance with their circumstance. There is the individual level and there is the national level.....the drilled down view and the big picture. Vision for the country? I think that battle was lost back in the sixties due to social liberalisation (some of which was good) and globalisation (most of which hasn't been good). I don't know that I have a 'vision for the country'.....rather I have an understanding of what's happening on replacement and my objection to it.....just as the Japanese would have....just as many many nations would have. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 4.43am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Jul 19 4.33am

Originally posted by dollardays

They wouldn't need to even intend to teach it though. As part of a traditional male-female relationship discussion or depiction, the couples discussed wouldn't necessarily both be of the same race. And if they aren't of the same race is that a problem? Do you see that as 'promotion' of that type of relationship to children?

Statistically mixed race relationships aren't even close to same race relationships. So as a depiction of reality it would be on the minor scale.

However, as race relationships seems quite a bizarre topic to specifically teach children it isn't something I have much of a view on.....other than, why are you teaching that when the darlings can't even spell properly.

Originally posted by dollardays

Views concerning mixed race relationships have massively changed over time, down to a societal view of how acceptable they are and this would be a demonstration of that. It wouldn't even have to be an intentional one.

There has been a change but I think it can be over emphasized.

The statistics of who people ultimately mate with shows that all groups have a strong in built group preference independent of the community we are talking about....Asian, Black, White.

If that weren't the case the country would be far more mixed at this stage than it is.

It's the birth rates and immigration my man....the big picture...not about Lucy and Lennox getting it on.

Originally posted by dollardays

Just, again, a reflection of society. I pointed out Viktor Orbáns view, race mixing, he's certainly not in favour of it for his country. And you yourself have been very clear about how adamant you are about the European genes continuing on, in your family and the country as a whole, about the potential of being 'mixed out of existence' or mixes that don't particularly herald from or have an obvious connection to any one place. So are you against this type of relationship being depicted too? And if not, is that because you think it's absolutely fine to, or because unlike Hungary there is not the numbers or public opinion to push against it?

I'm not against it being depicted as it's a reality. Again, in my view, the age matters but also why it's being done.

Originally posted by dollardays

Look at stats from the US and elsewhere going back decades. People almost universally used to believe that mixed race relationships were wrong. Can you really say in all sincerity that depictions of mixed race couples in school, or on TV or anywhere is any less of a legitimisation of that when we can very much see with our own eyes and from public view that is the case? That's perfectly okay with me, but is it not, with the changes it brings, diametrically opposite to your vision for the country?

Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 3.59am)

On the contrary I think the racial divide in the US is as large as it ever was. The US is a collection of states and obviously attitudes will vary depending upon the demographics of those states.

I'm not against someone who falls in love with someone of another race. An individual acts in accordance with their circumstance.

There is the individual level and there is the national level.....the drilled down view and the big picture.

Vision for the country? I think that battle was lost back in the sixties due to social liberalisation (some of which was good) and globalisation (most of which hasn't been good).

I don't know that I have a 'vision for the country'.....rather I have an understanding of what's happening on replacement and my objection to it.....just as the Japanese would have....just as many many nations would have.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 4.43am)

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays I have my boys starting September in a school that was pretty over subscribed but still I'll be asking about this topic with their teacher as I know it's all about who you get. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 4.36am) I'm sure she'll treat your concerns with the level of seriousness that they merit and that coverage of relationships, if any, will be age dependent. Quote However, as race relationships seems quite a bizarre topic to specifically teach children it isn't something I have much of a view on. I have not said that it should be specifically taught. I've said that relationships depicted in educational and other environment, do not always show people of the same race.. or gender for that matter. A couple in and of their own right can sometimes be just that. Quote I'm not against it being depicted as it's a reality. Again, in my view, the age matters but also why it's being done. I agree. The realities of relationships can be depicted and discussed where it is age appropriate. Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 4.55am)
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12 Jul 19 4.43am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have my boys starting September in a school that was pretty over subscribed but still I'll be asking about this topic with their teacher as I know it's all about who you get.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 4.36am)

I'm sure she'll treat your concerns with the level of seriousness that they merit and that coverage of relationships, if any, will be age dependent.

Quote However, as race relationships seems quite a bizarre topic to specifically teach children it isn't something I have much of a view on.

I have not said that it should be specifically taught. I've said that relationships depicted in educational and other environment, do not always show people of the same race.. or gender for that matter. A couple in and of their own right can sometimes be just that.

Quote I'm not against it being depicted as it's a reality. Again, in my view, the age matters but also why it's being done.

I agree. The realities of relationships can be depicted and discussed where it is age appropriate.

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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 19 4.59am
While being a social conservative I quite liked the clause 28 or whatever it was back in the eighties...(because I believe in the traditional family model as the ideal). However, saying that I don't like the idea that it caused the closure of help groups......something should have been done about that. I like the idea of help or social groups because if you are in a minority they are a way of connecting you and avoiding isolation......Obviously what I don't like is the tendency for them to become centres of activism....though I suppose that's the nature of minorities. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 5.01am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Jul 19 4.59am

While being a social conservative I quite liked the clause 28 or whatever it was back in the eighties...(because I believe in the traditional family model as the ideal).

However, saying that I don't like the idea that it caused the closure of help groups......something should have been done about that.

I like the idea of help or social groups because if you are in a minority they are a way of connecting you and avoiding isolation......Obviously what I don't like is the tendency for them to become centres of activism....though I suppose that's the nature of minorities.

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With regard to the perception of mixed race relationships: Originally posted by Stirlingsays Quote There has been a change but I think it can be over emphasized. 'US Public approval of interracial marriage rose from around 5% in the 1950s to around 80% in the 2000s. ' Again, as you say, that's not to say how many people actually are in a mixed race relationship. But it does tell you that there has been an extremely drastic change in public perception and of their acceptability. Point being we wouldn't find anyone sidling up to the teacher about that one nowadays .. and yet in Hungary perhaps we would see that due to a differing national outlook. Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 5.03am)
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12 Jul 19 5.02am

With regard to the perception of mixed race relationships:

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Quote There has been a change but I think it can be over emphasized.

'US Public approval of interracial marriage rose from around 5% in the 1950s to around 80% in the 2000s. '

Again, as you say, that's not to say how many people actually are in a mixed race relationship. But it does tell you that there has been an extremely drastic change in public perception and of their acceptability. Point being we wouldn't find anyone sidling up to the teacher about that one nowadays .. and yet in Hungary perhaps we would see that due to a differing national outlook.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays While being a social conservative I quite liked the clause 28 or whatever it was back in the eighties...(because I believe in the traditional family model as the ideal). However, saying that I don't like the idea that it caused the closure of help groups......something should have been done about that. I like the idea of help or social groups because if you are in a minority they are a way of connecting you and avoiding isolation......Obviously what I don't like is the tendency for them to become centres of activism....though I suppose that's the nature of minorities. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 5.01am) That at least is a positive point of agreement. Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 5.04am)
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12 Jul 19 5.03am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

While being a social conservative I quite liked the clause 28 or whatever it was back in the eighties...(because I believe in the traditional family model as the ideal).

However, saying that I don't like the idea that it caused the closure of help groups......something should have been done about that.

I like the idea of help or social groups because if you are in a minority they are a way of connecting you and avoiding isolation......Obviously what I don't like is the tendency for them to become centres of activism....though I suppose that's the nature of minorities.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 5.01am)

That at least is a positive point of agreement.

Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 5.04am)

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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 19 5.12am
Originally posted by dollardays 'US Public approval of interracial marriage rose from around 5% in the 1950s to around 80% in the 2000s. ' Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 5.03am) Like most things I imagine it's all about how the question is framed and then how the results are publicised. I mean, I don't 'oppose' interracial marriage....I mean, does anyone actually ban that anywhere? So if I were asked the same question I'd be 'approving'.....because hell, I'm not telling someone they can't get with who they want. This doesn't mean I'm not concerned about the hegemony of the English in England though...Or Europeans in Europe generally....I think that should be protected. Also there is what people say and what people do.....The stats would show real attitudes percent wise.....I'd imagine the highest percent of race mixing would be whites with East Asian, especially white males and Asian females. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 6.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Jul 19 5.12am

Originally posted by dollardays

'US Public approval of interracial marriage rose from around 5% in the 1950s to around 80% in the 2000s. '

Edited by dollardays (12 Jul 2019 5.03am)

Like most things I imagine it's all about how the question is framed and then how the results are publicised.

I mean, I don't 'oppose' interracial marriage....I mean, does anyone actually ban that anywhere? So if I were asked the same question I'd be 'approving'.....because hell, I'm not telling someone they can't get with who they want.

This doesn't mean I'm not concerned about the hegemony of the English in England though...Or Europeans in Europe generally....I think that should be protected.

Also there is what people say and what people do.....The stats would show real attitudes percent wise.....I'd imagine the highest percent of race mixing would be whites with East Asian, especially white males and Asian females.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2019 6.38am)

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Midlands Eagle 12 Jul 19 6.30am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Statistically mixed race relationships aren't even close to same race relationships. So as a depiction of reality it would be on the minor scale. Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Statistically mixed race relationships aren't even close to same race relationships. So as a depiction of reality it would be on the minor scale.

Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm

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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 19 6.37am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm Similar to feminism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Jul 19 6.37am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm

Similar to feminism.

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dannyboy1978 12 Jul 19 6.38am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm I've picked up on this, it's like a must do for adverts now.
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12 Jul 19 6.38am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm

I've picked up on this, it's like a must do for adverts now.

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.TUX. 13 Jul 19 9.01pm
On top of DHL (as i posted somewhere months ago) reporting that they are transporting less 'stuff' than before, now FedEx are saying the same ie people 'aint buying anymore 'cos people are skint. On top of this, along with the continued Deutsche Bank collapse, 'rich' people have become poorer for the first time in 8yrs. This is not good news. Buy Litecoin.
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13 Jul 19 9.01pm

On top of DHL (as i posted somewhere months ago) reporting that they are transporting less 'stuff' than before, now FedEx are saying the same ie people 'aint buying anymore 'cos people are skint.
On top of this, along with the continued Deutsche Bank collapse, 'rich' people have become poorer for the first time in 8yrs.

This is not good news.

Buy Litecoin.

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cryrst The garden of England 13 Jul 19 9.33pm
Originally posted by .TUX. On top of DHL (as i posted somewhere months ago) reporting that they are transporting less 'stuff' than before, now FedEx are saying the same ie people 'aint buying anymore 'cos people are skint. On top of this, along with the continued Deutsche Bank collapse, 'rich' people have become poorer for the first time in 8yrs. This is not good news. Worrying as the rich generally feed the poor. Hypothetically obviously but spending is driven from the top down.
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The garden of England 13 Jul 19 9.33pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

This is not good news.

Worrying as the rich generally feed the poor.
Hypothetically obviously but spending is driven from the top down.

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Invalid user 2019 13 Jul 19 10.53pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm Yes, it's almost as if they are being presented to us and yet none the less we're not all personally clambering to get involved in a mixed race relationship... which was my entire point about all relationship types really. Edited by dollardays (13 Jul 2019 11.06pm)
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13 Jul 19 10.53pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not according to TV adverts and programs where mixed race marriages seem to be the norm

Yes, it's almost as if they are being presented to us and yet none the less we're not all personally clambering to get involved in a mixed race relationship... which was my entire point about all relationship types really.

Edited by dollardays (13 Jul 2019 11.06pm)

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