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Stirlingsays 19 May 17 10.33pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I agree with that, only I don't hear any Asians say 'I'm English', because I think people say the country their parents are from, perhaps and hopefully followed by 'British.' It's a bit like America really. Italian-American. Irish-Anerican. You won't hear many Greeks in Britain saying they're English either, and their habits are very close to our's. I would say culture only we're in more of a hurry to distance ourselves from annoying family and place elderly relatives in care if you get my point. Anyway, Mrs May can afford annoying a few. She'll still win nearly all her solid areas and pick up a good few labour seats. I tend to agree. The reference to Greek culture is very poignant as it's pan-european in influence and any student of history knows that parts of its ancient systems are deeply ingrained within anglo saxon culture itself. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

19 May 17 10.33pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I agree with that, only I don't hear any Asians say 'I'm English', because I think people say the country their parents are from, perhaps and hopefully followed by 'British.'

It's a bit like America really. Italian-American. Irish-Anerican.

You won't hear many Greeks in Britain saying they're English either, and their habits are very close to our's. I would say culture only we're in more of a hurry to distance ourselves from annoying family and place elderly relatives in care if you get my point.

Anyway, Mrs May can afford annoying a few. She'll still win nearly all her solid areas and pick up a good few labour seats.

I tend to agree.

The reference to Greek culture is very poignant as it's pan-european in influence and any student of history knows that parts of its ancient systems are deeply ingrained within anglo saxon culture itself.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 May 17 10.42pm
Actually I meant they'll say 'British' followed by their parents origin. 'British Asian' for example. Probably because it sounds right, whereas 'American Italian' or 'American Irish' wouldn't. Or is there a reason for the different syntax or syntax back then for the US immigration. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 May 17 10.42pm

Actually I meant they'll say 'British' followed by their parents origin.

'British Asian' for example.

Probably because it sounds right, whereas 'American Italian' or 'American Irish' wouldn't. Or is there a reason for the different syntax or syntax back then for the US immigration.

COYP

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hedgehog50 Croydon 19 May 17 10.42pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Exactly my point..our local curry houses are an integral part of British culture..not something "alien" or "foreign" in any way..but as familiar and reassuring as the fish and chip shop.. I do know what you mean by feeling oppressed when the majority come from another century,though...Its how I feel on HOL surrounded by so many rabid Brexiteers! Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 19 May 17 10.42pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Exactly my point..our local curry houses are an integral part of British culture..not something "alien" or "foreign" in any way..but as familiar and reassuring as the fish and chip shop..

I do know what you mean by feeling oppressed when the majority come from another century,though...Its how I feel on HOL surrounded by so many rabid Brexiteers!

Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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legaleagle 19 May 17 10.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Food is food. If the people making and serving the food are British then that's fine. If they are foreign then that's fine, as long as they are legally here. What it is to be 'British' now has become so mangled and meaningless as to mean anything you like. It describes a legal situation rather than allegiance. Personally if someone with Asian heritage tells me they are English/Scottish/Irish then I know they are mentally integrated with the country they live in. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2017 10.14pm) I can't agree with a thesis that says if a person thinks of themselves as a Brit primarily as opposed to English(though say English,Scottish or Welsh also),there's something "mangled or meaningless" about that.Its actually perfectly in keeping with tradition. Interesting most of our recent historical (past 200 years)symbols of "allegiance" are British,not English etc..Rule Britannia was so named for a reason,the Black Watch were part of the essence of the British armed forces...The Royal Navy was a lot more than the English navy....The king was His Britannic Majesty for a reason... Being British is very distinct from say being French or Italian or American...not meaningless But,we are talking culture here,Stirling,which is something different.What would you say are the essential characteristics of English culture and how would you say those characteristics differ from British culture?..Is being partial to a curry, pint of ale and a cup of tea,English,Scottish,Welsh,or British? Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.56pm)
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19 May 17 10.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Food is food.

If the people making and serving the food are British then that's fine. If they are foreign then that's fine, as long as they are legally here.

What it is to be 'British' now has become so mangled and meaningless as to mean anything you like. It describes a legal situation rather than allegiance. Personally if someone with Asian heritage tells me they are English/Scottish/Irish then I know they are mentally integrated with the country they live in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2017 10.14pm)

I can't agree with a thesis that says if a person thinks of themselves as a Brit primarily as opposed to English(though say English,Scottish or Welsh also),there's something "mangled or meaningless" about that.Its actually perfectly in keeping with tradition.

Interesting most of our recent historical (past 200 years)symbols of "allegiance" are British,not English etc..Rule Britannia was so named for a reason,the Black Watch were part of the essence of the British armed forces...The Royal Navy was a lot more than the English navy....The king was His Britannic Majesty for a reason...

Being British is very distinct from say being French or Italian or American...not meaningless

But,we are talking culture here,Stirling,which is something different.What would you say are the essential characteristics of English culture and how would you say those characteristics differ from British culture?..Is being partial to a curry, pint of ale and a cup of tea,English,Scottish,Welsh,or British?

Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.56pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 19 May 17 10.48pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I can't agree with a thesis that says if a person thinks of themselves as a Brit primarily (though say English,Scottish or Welsh also),there's something dodgy about that.Its actually perfectly in keeping with tradition. Interesting most of our recent historical (past 200 years)symbols of "allegiance" are British,not English..Rule Britannia was so named for a reason,the Black Watch were part of the essence of the British armed forces...The Royal Navy was a lot more than the English navy....The king was His Britannic Majesty for a reason But,we are talking culture here,Stirling,which is something different.What would you say are the essential characteristics of English culture and how would you say those characteristics differ from British culture?..Is being partial to a pint of ale and a cup of tea,English,Scottish,Welsh,or British? Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.48pm) I think you misread Sterlings post? Or I did the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 19 May 17 10.48pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I can't agree with a thesis that says if a person thinks of themselves as a Brit primarily (though say English,Scottish or Welsh also),there's something dodgy about that.Its actually perfectly in keeping with tradition.

Interesting most of our recent historical (past 200 years)symbols of "allegiance" are British,not English..Rule Britannia was so named for a reason,the Black Watch were part of the essence of the British armed forces...The Royal Navy was a lot more than the English navy....The king was His Britannic Majesty for a reason

But,we are talking culture here,Stirling,which is something different.What would you say are the essential characteristics of English culture and how would you say those characteristics differ from British culture?..Is being partial to a pint of ale and a cup of tea,English,Scottish,Welsh,or British?

Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.48pm)

I think you misread Sterlings post? Or I did

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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legaleagle 19 May 17 10.52pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I think you misread Sterlings post? Or I did Have amended my last post to (hopefully) make clearer Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.53pm)
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legaleagle

19 May 17 10.52pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I think you misread Sterlings post? Or I did

Have amended my last post to (hopefully) make clearer

Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 10.53pm)

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CPFC1965 Warrington 19 May 17 10.55pm
Can't be bothered reading 192 pages of vitriolic ranting. Prior to last night I was going to vote Tory. May didn't show up, Corbyn didn't show up and thathe leeves Tim Farron and the Lib Dems. Articulate and sensible rational policies.We don't need another dictator or a politician who can preach to the converted for a rapturous applause. Sadly this will be a wasted vote but my conscience is clear.
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Warrington 19 May 17 10.55pm

Can't be bothered reading 192 pages of vitriolic ranting. Prior to last night I was going to vote Tory. May didn't show up, Corbyn didn't show up and thathe leeves Tim Farron and the Lib Dems. Articulate and sensible rational policies.We don't need another dictator or a politician who can preach to the converted for a rapturous applause. Sadly this will be a wasted vote but my conscience is clear.

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legaleagle 19 May 17 10.59pm
What is your view of Farron the Evangelical's views re gays?Are they "sensible" and "rational"?
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legaleagle

19 May 17 10.59pm

What is your view of Farron the Evangelical's views re gays?Are they "sensible" and "rational"?

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legaleagle 19 May 17 11.01pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet. You clearly need to get out and about more around the country. "Writer and restaurateur Matthew Hindley delves into the history of how Indian food became one of Britain’s national obsessions.” The Indian food industry in Britain is one of the major success stories of the second half of the last century. It is one of the biggest industries in the UK, worth a reported $5 billion a year, including 15,000 Indian restaurants that provide employment and a large takeaway and pre-packaged ‘curry-in-a-hurry’ sector that employs a healthy 70,000 people around the UK. London now has more Indian restaurants than Mumbai or Delhi, and Britain currently boasts the largest Indian restaurant in the world, The Aakash, which can seat up to 750 people in one sitting" Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 11.03pm)
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19 May 17 11.01pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet.

You clearly need to get out and about more around the country.

"Writer and restaurateur Matthew Hindley delves into the history of how Indian food became one of Britain’s national obsessions.”

The Indian food industry in Britain is one of the major success stories of the second half of the last century. It is one of the biggest industries in the UK, worth a reported $5 billion a year, including 15,000 Indian restaurants that provide employment and a large takeaway and pre-packaged ‘curry-in-a-hurry’ sector that employs a healthy 70,000 people around the UK.

London now has more Indian restaurants than Mumbai or Delhi, and Britain currently boasts the largest Indian restaurant in the world, The Aakash, which can seat up to 750 people in one sitting"

Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 11.03pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 19 May 17 11.02pm
A piece on Jezza [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 19 May 17 11.02pm

A piece on Jezza

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 May 17 11.14pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet. You're a charmer. Fancy chicken and chips, love? None of that curry muck. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 May 17 11.14pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Curry 'integral part of British culture'? My arse literally - cut out the middle-man and throw it straight down the toilet.

You're a charmer.

Fancy chicken and chips, love? None of that curry muck.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 May 17 11.20pm
Originally posted by legaleagle You clearly need to get out and about more around the country. Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 11.03pm) Just get out more. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 May 17 11.20pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

You clearly need to get out and about more around the country.

Edited by legaleagle (19 May 2017 11.03pm)

Just get out more.

COYP

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