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| Hoof Hearted 21 Jun 16 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Yep under a socialist government a bit like the EU BIG government & to many people on that gravy train. Not only a Socialist government but the PM was James Callaghan FFS..... Peter Cook constantly referred to him as "an oily heap of sh1t" But unlike our unelected EU masters... we were able to vote Callaghan and his lefty idealistic sort out in 1979 and bring in Maggie to get Britain 'out of a tailspin even Biggles couldn't have got out of'. * I dedicate that Biggles quote to Cucking, who famously coined it some years back.
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 1.22pm |
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Moved this from the Jo Cox thread ... Originally posted by Jimenez
Well if your thinking of abstaining maybe do the same on the threads or post some more balanced & neutral links/reports than all your Brexit bollocks just a suggestion like!! Thing is, it's not bollocks. They're genuine concerns about a) How they are campaigning and b) The sheer lies, half truths.
That's not to say it's because the Tories are in power, but it's this particular lot. As for Farage.... That poster is xenophobic and plays on peoples fears. They're refugees FFS, they need help, not demonising.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 16 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
So you've never been on an overcrowded tube train not being able to get a seat, sat for hours on the M25 going nowhere, couldn't get a Drs appointment, waited for hours in A&E, not been able to get your kid in your local school etc etc? All of these events boil down to immigrants over crowding our island/infrastructure and p1ss me off royally.... I guess you don't get out much these days. 40 years ago in London none of this was happening BTW. A good reposte and spot on What many fail time and time again to recognise is the massive crisis just around the corner if we continue to fill up this little isle at the rate we are. When I was a kid, let's say around 1970, the roads were quiet, traffic jams were non existent, jobs were unfilled, people were starting to move out of home at a younger age and the channel tunnel didn't exist. We cannot expect our infrastructure to cope with this insanity. The scary thing is that the levels now will seem like a trickle in 100 years time unless we pull in the drawbridge and massively restrict incomers. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2016 1.25pm)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
This is from the economist. The most important change Mr Cameron sought was a guarantee that non-euro countries would not be discriminated against by the much bigger euro-zone block. France tried to stop a deal whereby Britain alone could ask for any euro-zone decision it disliked to be referred up to an EU summit. In the end Mr Cameron got his way. But he reassured his partners that Britain would no longer try to slow or stop deeper integration if that was what the euro zone needed. The biggest argument came over the fourth basket: Britain’s desire to stop new migrants from the EU claiming in-work benefits, and also to stop paying child benefit, even for existing EU migrants, for children left in home countries. In a compromise, Mr Cameron won approval for an “emergency brake” allowing Britain to stop the first for seven years, and to cut child benefits for existing migrants from 2020 onwards. The European Commission expressed confidence that this would withstand a legal challenge on grounds of discrimination against other EU nationals; some lawyers are less sure. What seems less certain still is that fiddling with benefit rules will make much difference to the numbers of EU migrants coming to Britain, because almost all of them come to work, not to claim benefits. Doesn't look like nothing to me. True he didn't get all that he wanted. But liking or hating him does not dispute the above. Nick the economist magazine was known when I was in the city (gtanted some years ago) for being called the communist so no I take what they say as I would say believe the mail about immigration figures, i.e. I wouldn't. However here are some business FACTS. CADBURY moved to factory in Poland (2011) with EU grant.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A good reposte and spot on What many fail time and time again to recognise is the massive crisis just around the corner if we continue to fill up this little isle at the rate we are. When I was a kid, let's say around 1970, the roads were quiet, traffic jams were non existent, jobs were unfilled, people were starting to move out of home at a younger age and the channel tunnel didn't exist. We cannot expect our infrastructure to cope with this insanity. The scary thing is that the levels now will seem like a trickle in 100 years time unless we pull in the drawbridge and massively restrict incomers. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2016 1.25pm) Doesn't the difference in the number of cars per household and percentage of people who are car owners affect this. Does the fact many more people not work locally affect this? No its the fault of those foreign w***ers innit.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A good reposte and spot on What many fail time and time again to recognise is the massive crisis just around the corner if we continue to fill up this little isle at the rate we are. When I was a kid, let's say around 1970, the roads were quiet, traffic jams were non existent, jobs were unfilled, people were starting to move out of home at a younger age and the channel tunnel didn't exist. We cannot expect our infrastructure to cope with this insanity. The scary thing is that the levels now will seem like a trickle in 100 years time unless we pull in the drawbridge and massively restrict incomers. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2016 1.25pm) Australia seem to be doing all right.
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 1.40pm |
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The situation is unbalanced as virtually all of the political elite is for remain if you look at the newspapers all of the financial press, the economist, the financial times, the liberal dailies, the Guardian, the Independent, the Mirror are for remaining. Murdoch press is slightly skeptical but on the whole is in favour of remaining. The fear campaign is similar to the Scottish indi campaign. If you remember, fear totally dominated the last two to three weeks. It's difficult to open a newspaper without reading some fear campaign. IF BRITAIN LEAVES DISASTER WILL HAPPEN.... I don't have any respect for the remain or Brexit CAMPAIN(s) I'm not with Farrage or Borris but am able to see the bigger picture and not focus on the analysis. I want to see the tactics, like the
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Australia seem to be doing all right. Australia is underpopulated. and... The Cerebus-headed monstrosity of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Priti Patel have announced that if Britain chooses to leave the European Union, it will introduce an "Australian-style points system" for migrants and require all new entrants to speak good English. This is presented as a natural consequence of any Leave vote, which should be alarming. That Brexit movie didn't even mention migration once; for months now the Brexiters have been trying to convince us that really it's all about leaving one cloistered continent and opening ourselves up to the whole world, becoming a truly global force, modern and democratic and lit by a kinder, brighter sun – but in the end, it turns out that it was all just about not having to hear foreign languages on the train. We don't need the stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative Brussels bureaucracy; we can introduce a stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative bureaucracy all by ourselves (in fact we already have done for non-EU migrants). After all, what three words conjure up an image of untrammelled human liberty more than "points-based system"? In fairness, I've never been to Australia; in fact I'm occasionally suspicious that the whole country was made up by some sinister cabal as a test of our gullibility, to see if we'd really accept the idea of a country where there's an awards show called 'the Logies' and the prime minister eats raw, unpeeled onions on camera. But if it exists, then Australia is a country founded on an almost total genocide, in which settlers killed every last living person in Tasmania, and which under the "White Australia Policy" forbade all migration from non-European countries until 1973. This history clashes with the anti-immigration orthodoxies a bit; it's much harder to say "it isn't racist to systematically exterminate an entire continent of its indigenous population" or "it isn't racist to discriminate based on race", although some people would probably give it a shot. But anyway, all that is in the past now. Except Australia's more recent record is also pretty harrowing. The country maintains a detention centre on the Papuan island of Manus, where refugees and asylum seekers attempting to enter Australia are held indefinitely. The government's stated intention is to resettle the refugees in a third country, but as of last year more have been killed by disease or riots than have been allowed to move on elsewhere. Conditions in Manus are so intolerable that last December 600 refugees, exhausted by their tropical purgatory, signed a letter to the Australian government begging to be allowed to die.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 21 Jun 16 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Australia seem to be doing all right. The Australian economy is dangerously struggling I will be interested to research some of your examples you posed below of manufacturing moved out of the UK with help from the EU, because some of it sounds like completely fabricated (Dyson claim for example seems particularly far fetched given James Dyson has come out as a Brexit supporter, and why would the EU give Dyson money to move outside of the EU?).
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jun 16 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Australia is underpopulated. and... The Cerebus-headed monstrosity of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Priti Patel have announced that if Britain chooses to leave the European Union, it will introduce an "Australian-style points system" for migrants and require all new entrants to speak good English. This is presented as a natural consequence of any Leave vote, which should be alarming. That Brexit movie didn't even mention migration once; for months now the Brexiters have been trying to convince us that really it's all about leaving one cloistered continent and opening ourselves up to the whole world, becoming a truly global force, modern and democratic and lit by a kinder, brighter sun – but in the end, it turns out that it was all just about not having to hear foreign languages on the train. We don't need the stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative Brussels bureaucracy; we can introduce a stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative bureaucracy all by ourselves (in fact we already have done for non-EU migrants). After all, what three words conjure up an image of untrammelled human liberty more than "points-based system"? In fairness, I've never been to Australia; in fact I'm occasionally suspicious that the whole country was made up by some sinister cabal as a test of our gullibility, to see if we'd really accept the idea of a country where there's an awards show called 'the Logies' and the prime minister eats raw, unpeeled onions on camera. But if it exists, then Australia is a country founded on an almost total genocide, in which settlers killed every last living person in Tasmania, and which under the "White Australia Policy" forbade all migration from non-European countries until 1973. This history clashes with the anti-immigration orthodoxies a bit; it's much harder to say "it isn't racist to systematically exterminate an entire continent of its indigenous population" or "it isn't racist to discriminate based on race", although some people would probably give it a shot. But anyway, all that is in the past now. Except Australia's more recent record is also pretty harrowing. The country maintains a detention centre on the Papuan island of Manus, where refugees and asylum seekers attempting to enter Australia are held indefinitely. The government's stated intention is to resettle the refugees in a third country, but as of last year more have been killed by disease or riots than have been allowed to move on elsewhere. Conditions in Manus are so intolerable that last December 600 refugees, exhausted by their tropical purgatory, signed a letter to the Australian government begging to be allowed to die. Australia is UNDER Populated *Correct* The UK is OVER Populated (or certainly close to it)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Australia is underpopulated. and... The Cerebus-headed monstrosity of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Priti Patel have announced that if Britain chooses to leave the European Union, it will introduce an "Australian-style points system" for migrants and require all new entrants to speak good English. This is presented as a natural consequence of any Leave vote, which should be alarming. That Brexit movie didn't even mention migration once; for months now the Brexiters have been trying to convince us that really it's all about leaving one cloistered continent and opening ourselves up to the whole world, becoming a truly global force, modern and democratic and lit by a kinder, brighter sun – but in the end, it turns out that it was all just about not having to hear foreign languages on the train. We don't need the stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative Brussels bureaucracy; we can introduce a stifling, bloodless, bean-counting quantitative bureaucracy all by ourselves (in fact we already have done for non-EU migrants). After all, what three words conjure up an image of untrammelled human liberty more than "points-based system"? In fairness, I've never been to Australia; in fact I'm occasionally suspicious that the whole country was made up by some sinister cabal as a test of our gullibility, to see if we'd really accept the idea of a country where there's an awards show called 'the Logies' and the prime minister eats raw, unpeeled onions on camera. But if it exists, then Australia is a country founded on an almost total genocide, in which settlers killed every last living person in Tasmania, and which under the "White Australia Policy" forbade all migration from non-European countries until 1973. This history clashes with the anti-immigration orthodoxies a bit; it's much harder to say "it isn't racist to systematically exterminate an entire continent of its indigenous population" or "it isn't racist to discriminate based on race", although some people would probably give it a shot. But anyway, all that is in the past now. Except Australia's more recent record is also pretty harrowing. The country maintains a detention centre on the Papuan island of Manus, where refugees and asylum seekers attempting to enter Australia are held indefinitely. The government's stated intention is to resettle the refugees in a third country, but as of last year more have been killed by disease or riots than have been allowed to move on elsewhere. Conditions in Manus are so intolerable that last December 600 refugees, exhausted by their tropical purgatory, signed a letter to the Australian government begging to be allowed to die. What on earth has Australia got to do with Britain's inability to cope with sheer numbers? In case you were not aware the world population is about to go into a sharp upward curve and that means that the demand to come to Europe will go to almost unimaginable levels.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Nick the economist magazine was known when I was in the city (gtanted some years ago) for being called the communist so no I take what they say as I would say believe the mail about immigration figures, i.e. I wouldn't. However here are some business FACTS. CADBURY moved to factory in Poland (2011) with EU grant. 1.the concessions Cameron got are in a range of newspapers, not just the economist. 2. Many of the companies you mention were once in public ownership.They should not have been privatised (by both main parties in the UK) Yes EU rules state that there should be competition, it follows the Neoliberals agenda and is one of the reasons I may vote leave. But don't for one minute think that in or out of the EU whatever government in power here wouldn't have allowed it to happen...
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