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dannyboy1978 02 Jul 19 1.19pm
This country is officially bonkers [Link]
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02 Jul 19 1.19pm

This country is officially bonkers
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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 19 1.24pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 This country is officially bonkers [Link] That'll keep Maple happy. Whereas for us it's pure clown world and long term self harming....unless these are strictly time limited and citizen settlement status is off the table. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 3.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jul 19 1.24pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

This country is officially bonkers
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That'll keep Maple happy.

Whereas for us it's pure clown world and long term self harming....unless these are strictly time limited and citizen settlement status is off the table.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 3.53pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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johnno42000 02 Jul 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Jeepers! I think perhaps your ability to understand your opposites' positions is a little....how shall we say....under-developed. I was being a little facetious but I still wonder what the red line would be? The Brexit party is slightly different to others as it has one main tenet, which is the one ring to bind them all. If their lesser policies become abhorrent to some of their supporters it'll be interesting to see what those policies would be. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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02 Jul 19 1.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Jeepers!

I think perhaps your ability to understand your opposites' positions is a little....how shall we say....under-developed.

I was being a little facetious but I still wonder what the red line would be? The Brexit party is slightly different to others as it has one main tenet, which is the one ring to bind them all. If their lesser policies become abhorrent to some of their supporters it'll be interesting to see what those policies would be.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 19 2.51pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I was being a little facetious but I still wonder what the red line would be? The Brexit party is slightly different to others as it has one main tenet, which is the one ring to bind them all. If their lesser policies become abhorrent to some of their supporters it'll be interesting to see what those policies would be. A little? Perhaps quite a bit I'd say. Don't forget that this country already contributes quite a bit through its UN funding and other forms like NGO support and tax relief on charities. Very few people seriously consider the Brexit party as a serious party of government.....Aside from the immigration control they are for those that want to object to a undemocratic pan European political project. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 2.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jul 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

A little? Perhaps quite a bit I'd say.

Don't forget that this country already contributes quite a bit through its UN funding and other forms like NGO support and tax relief on charities.

Very few people seriously consider the Brexit party as a serious party of government.....Aside from the immigration control they are for those that want to object to a undemocratic pan European political project.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 2.52pm)

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dannyboy1978 02 Jul 19 7.46pm
Interesting piece of history between Europe and the USA about chicken and trucks! Forward to 7.10mins [Link]
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02 Jul 19 7.46pm

Interesting piece of history between Europe and the USA about chicken and trucks!

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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 19 8.50pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Interesting piece of history between Europe and the USA about chicken and trucks! Forward to 7.10mins [Link] Ha. It's almost as if protectionism is the intelligent thing to do if you have the right resources and can implement it properly. Go figure.....No one needed to tell that to China certainly. Uncontrolled globalisation just fecks over your own working class and gives away your own countries industries......the only people who benefit long term are the economic Neo Liberals in the middle and higher classes.....those ones whose only allegiance is to themselves.....until they need you for something. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 8.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jul 19 8.50pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Interesting piece of history between Europe and the USA about chicken and trucks!

Forward to 7.10mins

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Ha.

It's almost as if protectionism is the intelligent thing to do if you have the right resources and can implement it properly.

Go figure.....No one needed to tell that to China certainly.

Uncontrolled globalisation just fecks over your own working class and gives away your own countries industries......the only people who benefit long term are the economic Neo Liberals in the middle and higher classes.....those ones whose only allegiance is to themselves.....until they need you for something.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 8.53pm)

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dannyboy1978 03 Jul 19 6.58am
[Link] This is like a real life ali g going to the EU parliment, what a wally. [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 Jul 2019 7.01am)
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03 Jul 19 6.58am

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This is like a real life ali g going to the EU parliment, what a wally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jul 19 7.33am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 [Link] This is like a real life ali g going to the EU parliment, what a wally. [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 Jul 2019 7.01am) Attention seeking just like the idiots from the Brexit party and the Lib Dems. All they do is confirm to the rest of us that politicians do not deserve our respect. One more point
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Beckenham 03 Jul 19 7.33am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

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This is like a real life ali g going to the EU parliment, what a wally.

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Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 Jul 2019 7.01am)

Attention seeking just like the idiots from the Brexit party and the Lib Dems. All they do is confirm to the rest of us that politicians do not deserve our respect.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Jul 19 9.21am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ha. It's almost as if protectionism is the intelligent thing to do if you have the right resources and can implement it properly. Go figure.....No one needed to tell that to China certainly. Uncontrolled globalisation just fecks over your own working class and gives away your own countries industries......the only people who benefit long term are the economic Neo Liberals in the middle and higher classes.....those ones whose only allegiance is to themselves.....until they need you for something. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 8.53pm) As I explained in another thread that isn't universally true. If your country is poor and has mass unemployment then it's the working class who benefit. Industries arrive. Globalisation is flattening out opportunity. It's impact has to be managed to ensure smooth transitions and avoid social disruptions. It might be a challenge but as it simply cannot just be reversed we have no choice other than to try to go with the flow and find smart ways to benefit. I read lots of complaints and desires to turn the clocks back decades but no practical, legal, suggestions on how to handle things better. Just turning off immigration won't do much other than hurt us. Those who believe there is a pool of locally born labour, trained, willing and ready to step into the breech are living in a dream land. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Jul 19 9.21am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ha.

It's almost as if protectionism is the intelligent thing to do if you have the right resources and can implement it properly.

Go figure.....No one needed to tell that to China certainly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 8.53pm)

As I explained in another thread that isn't universally true. If your country is poor and has mass unemployment then it's the working class who benefit. Industries arrive. Globalisation is flattening out opportunity. It's impact has to be managed to ensure smooth transitions and avoid social disruptions.

It might be a challenge but as it simply cannot just be reversed we have no choice other than to try to go with the flow and find smart ways to benefit.

I read lots of complaints and desires to turn the clocks back decades but no practical, legal, suggestions on how to handle things better. Just turning off immigration won't do much other than hurt us. Those who believe there is a pool of locally born labour, trained, willing and ready to step into the breech are living in a dream land.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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W12 03 Jul 19 12.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As I explained in another thread that isn't universally true. If your country is poor and has mass unemployment then it's the working class who benefit. Industries arrive. Globalisation is flattening out opportunity. It's impact has to be managed to ensure smooth transitions and avoid social disruptions. It might be a challenge but as it simply cannot just be reversed we have no choice other than to try to go with the flow and find smart ways to benefit. I read lots of complaints and desires to turn the clocks back decades but no practical, legal, suggestions on how to handle things better. Just turning off immigration won't do much other than hurt us. Those who believe there is a pool of locally born labour, trained, willing and ready to step into the breech are living in a dream land. You are completely ignoring the reality of the massive cultural and security/crime issues we are already seeing (much of which is already having to be suppressed by the mainstream media, de-ranked by social media etc) . You cannot expect to mix large groups of people with antithetical beliefs and value systems (e.g. western individual rights v 3rd world group preference) and expect a peaceful outcome. It's blinkered madness to expect we can "manage" this as at some point we will not even be in control. Why would we do this anyway other than to pander to the large corporations need to drive down the cost of wages and just keep the economy afloat purely due to the over inflated cost of property? Sure it would probably happen over time (centuries or millennia) anyway once the world has normalized western values but over the course of a couple of decades?! No human civilization will never be able to cope with that rate of change.
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W12 03 Jul 19 12.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It might be a challenge but as it simply cannot just be reversed we have no choice other than to try to go with the flow and find smart ways to benefit.

You are completely ignoring the reality of the massive cultural and security/crime issues we are already seeing (much of which is already having to be suppressed by the mainstream media, de-ranked by social media etc) . You cannot expect to mix large groups of people with antithetical beliefs and value systems (e.g. western individual rights v 3rd world group preference) and expect a peaceful outcome. It's blinkered madness to expect we can "manage" this as at some point we will not even be in control.

Why would we do this anyway other than to pander to the large corporations need to drive down the cost of wages and just keep the economy afloat purely due to the over inflated cost of property?

Sure it would probably happen over time (centuries or millennia) anyway once the world has normalized western values but over the course of a couple of decades?! No human civilization will never be able to cope with that rate of change.

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ChrisGC Wantage 03 Jul 19 6.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yeah, it does seem that way and this is the point I'm trying to make. In the future when humanity is dying in its own filth, people will ask why no one did anything to avert the situation. When the population is so great that society collapses, measures that seem extreme now will seem like an opportunity missed. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2019 11.16am) No need for sterilisation anyway. You're dealing with masses of people, literally billions, unable to work out that boiling water sterilises it. Stop aid and stop migration and they'd soon die out.
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Wantage 03 Jul 19 6.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah, it does seem that way and this is the point I'm trying to make.
In the future when humanity is dying in its own filth, people will ask why no one did anything to avert the situation.
When the population is so great that society collapses, measures that seem extreme now will seem like an opportunity missed.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2019 11.16am)

No need for sterilisation anyway. You're dealing with masses of people, literally billions, unable to work out that boiling water sterilises it. Stop aid and stop migration and they'd soon die out.

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martinelliff Staffordshire 03 Jul 19 6.37pm
I think Thanos was on to something.
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Staffordshire 03 Jul 19 6.37pm

I think Thanos was on to something.

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