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Stirlingsays 26 Feb 23 1.16am
What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital. Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments. National governments are at this point an almost vestigial remnant of a bygone era. Real power is exercised through heavily funded NGOs, financial investment companies and media. Weak national governments that completely abdicate responsibility for the culture and work for the financial ambitions of global interests are exactly what finance capital wants, and has achieved. Sunak is their man and that's why his rise has been rapid and eased. A Johnson, who while still a globalist retains elements of populism and individualism is by comparison opposed far more strongly. It’s really the perfect system of global tyranny, because even if by some miracle a populist movement breaks through and gains the power of your state, they can assemble all of these other countries enthralled to finance capital to oppose them and for example, do what they did to Greece where that populist movement was gutted despite not losing power....or indeed, before Greece do what they did to Germany and Ireland.....which are now little more than client cuck nations. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Feb 23 1.16am

What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital.

Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments.

National governments are at this point an almost vestigial remnant of a bygone era. Real power is exercised through heavily funded NGOs, financial investment companies and media. Weak national governments that completely abdicate responsibility for the culture and work for the financial ambitions of global interests are exactly what finance capital wants, and has achieved. Sunak is their man and that's why his rise has been rapid and eased. A Johnson, who while still a globalist retains elements of populism and individualism is by comparison opposed far more strongly.

It’s really the perfect system of global tyranny, because even if by some miracle a populist movement breaks through and gains the power of your state, they can assemble all of these other countries enthralled to finance capital to oppose them and for example, do what they did to Greece where that populist movement was gutted despite not losing power....or indeed, before Greece do what they did to Germany and Ireland.....which are now little more than client cuck nations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Feb 23 1.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital. Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments. National governments are at this point an almost vestigial remnant of a bygone era. Real power is exercised through heavily funded NGOs, financial investment companies and media. Weak national governments that completely abdicate responsibility for the culture and work for the financial ambitions of global interests are exactly what finance capital wants, and has achieved. Sunak is their man and that's why his rise has been rapid and eased. A Johnson, who while still a globalist retains elements of populism and individualism is by comparison opposed far more strongly. It’s really the perfect system of global tyranny, because even if by some miracle a populist movement breaks through and gains the power of your state, they can assemble all of these other countries enthralled to finance capital to oppose them and for example, do what they did to Greece where that populist movement was gutted despite not losing power....or indeed, before Greece do what they did to Germany and Ireland.....which are now little more than client cuck nations. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am) correct. And even Catalunya...the largest ethnic group in Europe that do not have their own nation-State....got fecked by the EU Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital.

Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am)

correct. And even Catalunya...the largest ethnic group in Europe that do not have their own nation-State....got fecked by the EU

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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cryrst The garden of England 26 Feb 23 6.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle . That wasn’t the problem. The problem was that they made commitments to honour the result and were afraid of backtracking despite the knowledge there had been tampering and the closeness. Parliament failed to do their duty aided by Corbyn’s personal distaste and ambition. He, every bit as much as Farage, is the villain in the Brexit pantomime. So what you’re saying is Brexit was enacted because MPs were scared to upset Joe Public !
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The garden of England 26 Feb 23 6.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That wasn’t the problem.

The problem was that they made commitments to honour the result and were afraid of backtracking despite the knowledge there had been tampering and the closeness.

Parliament failed to do their duty aided by Corbyn’s personal distaste and ambition. He, every bit as much as Farage, is the villain in the Brexit pantomime.

So what you’re saying is Brexit was enacted because MPs were scared to upset Joe Public !

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georgenorman 26 Feb 23 7.20am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Johnson called the 2019 election because Parliament, and especially Cornbyn, failed to do their duty. They could, and should, have ousted him, put in place a short-term PM and government, held a second confirmatory referendum and then started some serious negotiations with the EU the result of which could be presented before a GE. Johnson won because of a marketing slogan, devised by the odious Cummings, "Get Brexit done". That's no way to run a country. Populism replacing serious consideration of the facts has brought us this disaster and the sooner we collectively reverse our stupidity the better. That damned electorate not conforming to your wishes yet again.
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26 Feb 23 7.20am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Johnson called the 2019 election because Parliament, and especially Cornbyn, failed to do their duty. They could, and should, have ousted him, put in place a short-term PM and government, held a second confirmatory referendum and then started some serious negotiations with the EU the result of which could be presented before a GE.

Johnson won because of a marketing slogan, devised by the odious Cummings, "Get Brexit done". That's no way to run a country.

Populism replacing serious consideration of the facts has brought us this disaster and the sooner we collectively reverse our stupidity the better.

That damned electorate not conforming to your wishes yet again.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 26 Feb 23 7.41am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Johnson called the 2019 election because Parliament, and especially Cornbyn, failed to do their duty. They could, and should, have ousted him, put in place a short-term PM and government, held a second confirmatory referendum and then started some serious negotiations with the EU the result of which could be presented before a GE. Johnson won because of a marketing slogan, devised by the odious Cummings, "Get Brexit done". That's no way to run a country. Populism replacing serious consideration of the facts has brought us this disaster and the sooner we collectively reverse our stupidity the better. The electorate were idiots for falling for Boris' lies and undeliverable promises, Who'd have thought ? Even if the UK wanted to get back into Europe further down the line, it'll be a different beast with other smaller nations now joining. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Johnson won because of a marketing slogan, devised by the odious Cummings, "Get Brexit done". That's no way to run a country.

Populism replacing serious consideration of the facts has brought us this disaster and the sooner we collectively reverse our stupidity the better.

The electorate were idiots for falling for Boris' lies and undeliverable promises,
Who'd have thought ?
Even if the UK wanted to get back into Europe further down the line, it'll be a different beast with other smaller nations now joining.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Feb 23 11.51am
Remainers are like a sh1tty partner in a Divorce.... the 'normal' dumps the sh1tty partner......and the abuser shouts ''you will never be happy in your new life without me'' The 370 AD Western Roman Empire fell cos EVERYBODY had lost confidence in what they could get from Rome. ALL its institutions were failing to deliver. From the poorest pleb to the highest Noble....everybody had lost confidence. sometimes its better to launch into the unknown. The Devil you don't know. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 26 Feb 23 11.51am

Remainers are like a sh1tty partner in a Divorce....

the 'normal' dumps the sh1tty partner......and the abuser shouts ''you will never be happy in your new life without me''

The 370 AD Western Roman Empire fell cos EVERYBODY had lost confidence in what they could get from Rome. ALL its institutions were failing to deliver. From the poorest pleb to the highest Noble....everybody had lost confidence.

sometimes its better to launch into the unknown. The Devil you don't know.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Grumbles 26 Feb 23 7.06pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Remainers are like a sh1tty partner in a Divorce.... the 'normal' dumps the sh1tty partner......and the abuser shouts ''you will never be happy in your new life without me'' The 370 AD Western Roman Empire fell cos EVERYBODY had lost confidence in what they could get from Rome. ALL its institutions were failing to deliver. From the poorest pleb to the highest Noble....everybody had lost confidence. sometimes its better to launch into the unknown. The Devil you don't know. Errr. The best migrated to Byzantium ruling for another 1,000 yrs. Leaving the dross, in the Western Roman Empire, to be defiled by North Africans and Germans. Leaving Italy as a disparate mess until Garibaldi invented a biscuit that pulled them all together over a 1,000yrs later. Perhaps paraphrasing an English cultural tome, "1066 and all that".
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Grumbles 26 Feb 23 7.06pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Remainers are like a sh1tty partner in a Divorce....

the 'normal' dumps the sh1tty partner......and the abuser shouts ''you will never be happy in your new life without me''

sometimes its better to launch into the unknown. The Devil you don't know.

Errr. The best migrated to Byzantium ruling for another 1,000 yrs. Leaving the dross, in the Western Roman Empire, to be defiled by North Africans and Germans.

Leaving Italy as a disparate mess until Garibaldi invented a biscuit that pulled them all together over a 1,000yrs later.

Perhaps paraphrasing an English cultural tome, "1066 and all that".

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HKOwen Hong Kong 27 Feb 23 12.58am
Pretty good historical summary. Byzantine Constantinople would have been by and large a great place to live. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 27 Feb 23 12.58am

Pretty good historical summary.

Byzantine Constantinople would have been by and large a great place to live.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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becky over the moon 27 Feb 23 8.41am
Originally posted by Grumbles Errr. The best migrated to Byzantium ruling for another 1,000 yrs. Leaving the dross, in the Western Roman Empire, to be defiled by North Africans and Germans. Leaving Italy as a disparate mess until Garibaldi invented a biscuit that pulled them all together over a 1,000yrs later. Perhaps paraphrasing an English cultural tome, "1066 and all that". Yeh, but being a hot country, they had more dead flies than us... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 27 Feb 23 8.41am

Originally posted by Grumbles

Errr. The best migrated to Byzantium ruling for another 1,000 yrs. Leaving the dross, in the Western Roman Empire, to be defiled by North Africans and Germans.

Leaving Italy as a disparate mess until Garibaldi invented a biscuit that pulled them all together over a 1,000yrs later.

Perhaps paraphrasing an English cultural tome, "1066 and all that".

Yeh, but being a hot country, they had more dead flies than us...

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 9.54am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital. Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments. National governments are at this point an almost vestigial remnant of a bygone era. Real power is exercised through heavily funded NGOs, financial investment companies and media. Weak national governments that completely abdicate responsibility for the culture and work for the financial ambitions of global interests are exactly what finance capital wants, and has achieved. Sunak is their man and that's why his rise has been rapid and eased. A Johnson, who while still a globalist retains elements of populism and individualism is by comparison opposed far more strongly. It’s really the perfect system of global tyranny, because even if by some miracle a populist movement breaks through and gains the power of your state, they can assemble all of these other countries enthralled to finance capital to oppose them and for example, do what they did to Greece where that populist movement was gutted despite not losing power....or indeed, before Greece do what they did to Germany and Ireland.....which are now little more than client cuck nations. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am) Do enlighten us. From which of the basement boy political "experts" you use for your political rationals did you glean this liturgy of twisted logic? We live in an ever more interconnected and smaller world. That results in interdependence and the growth of institutions and businesses which operate globally. That just is. It wasn't planned and isn't in the control of any government. Governments need to work together themselves to ensure that the ultimate control remains with their peoples, so they do. When people like you actively resist such co-operations, making the kind of comments above is, to say the least, ironic. You complain about globalism. You complain about the EU. You complain about the WEF. I complain about people like you. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 9.54am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What we are increasingly seeing within Europe and the west generally is a globally administered system of international finance capital.

Power is continually been moved to the collective group think instead of only being the remit of individual national governments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2023 1.19am)

Do enlighten us. From which of the basement boy political "experts" you use for your political rationals did you glean this liturgy of twisted logic?

We live in an ever more interconnected and smaller world. That results in interdependence and the growth of institutions and businesses which operate globally. That just is. It wasn't planned and isn't in the control of any government. Governments need to work together themselves to ensure that the ultimate control remains with their peoples, so they do. When people like you actively resist such co-operations, making the kind of comments above is, to say the least, ironic. You complain about globalism. You complain about the EU. You complain about the WEF.

I complain about people like you.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 10.02am
Originally posted by cryrst So what you’re saying is Brexit was enacted because MPs were scared to upset Joe Public ! That is too simplistic. Some were brave and did their duty, knowing full well they would end their careers in so doing. Others genuinely believed Brexit was wise. Others preserved their careers by following the party whip. Corbyn was the ace. If he had stood aside and allowed a new leader to whip Labour into supporting a confirmatory vote, things would be very different today. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 10.02am

Originally posted by cryrst

So what you’re saying is Brexit was enacted because MPs were scared to upset Joe Public !

That is too simplistic. Some were brave and did their duty, knowing full well they would end their careers in so doing. Others genuinely believed Brexit was wise. Others preserved their careers by following the party whip. Corbyn was the ace. If he had stood aside and allowed a new leader to whip Labour into supporting a confirmatory vote, things would be very different today.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 10.08am
Originally posted by georgenorman That damned electorate not conforming to your wishes yet again. It wasn't the fault of the electorate but the people they chose to represent them, who put in place a lying populist. The bottom line of which ultimately means that we must modernise our voting system to ensure that the people we choose don't let us down For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 23 10.08am

Originally posted by georgenorman

That damned electorate not conforming to your wishes yet again.

It wasn't the fault of the electorate but the people they chose to represent them, who put in place a lying populist.

The bottom line of which ultimately means that we must modernise our voting system to ensure that the people we choose don't let us down

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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