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legaleagle Flag 21 Feb 15 11.17pm

Quote Jimenez at 21 Feb 2015 10.30pm

Quote legaleagle at 21 Feb 2015 10.17pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 9.05pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm

1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist;

Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war.

The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable.



I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries.

That's not that dissimilar to what many people opposed to immigration were saying from the late 50's to the mid 70's.Do you think that wave of immigration has enrichened this country and its culture/s in any ways?


Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 10.20pm)


I think in general it depends on the ethnic group it self. I am (probably) alone in being one of the few people on this site who lives in a neighbourhood which is 99% non white. In fact the only white people you tend to see are the teacher's at the two schools a few blocks away from me, however back to what I originally was going to say. From my experience the ethnic minorities LEAST likely to assimilate are the sizable Bangladeshi community & people from The Yemen,( and yes they are Muslim) absolutely NO effort what so ever or dare I say any interest too be part of the country they have moved to. On the other hand peoples from The Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico,& British Guyana amongst others seem willing to do so.


My question wasn't which immigrant groups do you think are most likely or not to assimilate. You've ignored the majority of the significant countries of origin of that wave of immigration (which didn't include in any significant numbers people from,yemen, puerto rico or the dominican republic) such as the former British territories in the West Indies,and people from India, and Africa.)You've only mentioned one group of any size,people from Bangla Desh,whose restaurants incidentally for many have come to represent a crucial part of our national cuisine,so much so that the Foreign Office have sponsored chefs of Bangla Deshi origin in the UK to travel overseas to help promote the UK.

2001 census figures showed x4 more people of Indian than Bangla Deshi origin, x2 more people of Carribbean origin than Bangla Deshi, and x c75% more people of African origin than Bangla Deshi.Yet only Bangla Deshi's (about 13%? of just the total from Bangla Desh,the West Indies,India and Africa) appeared to come near the top of your thinking.

Also,I'm not sure you've actually answered the question I posed.

Do you think that wave of immigration from the late 1950's-the mid 1970's has enriched this country (as opposed to just where you now live) and its culture/s in any ways? If you do,how do you think it has been enriched?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 11.41pm)

 

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Quote legaleagle at 21 Feb 2015 11.17pm

Quote Jimenez at 21 Feb 2015 10.30pm

Quote legaleagle at 21 Feb 2015 10.17pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 9.05pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm

1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist;

Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war.

The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable.



I most definitely want to live within my own culture and norms....I'm happy for other cultures to enjoy their own as well. But unless they are working here temporarily (in reasonable numbers) or on holiday I'd prefer it if they enjoyed it in their own....often wonderful countries.

That's not that dissimilar to what many people opposed to immigration were saying from the late 50's to the mid 70's.Do you think that wave of immigration has enrichened this country and its culture/s in any ways?


Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 10.20pm)


I think in general it depends on the ethnic group it self. I am (probably) alone in being one of the few people on this site who lives in a neighbourhood which is 99% non white. In fact the only white people you tend to see are the teacher's at the two schools a few blocks away from me, however back to what I originally was going to say. From my experience the ethnic minorities LEAST likely to assimilate are the sizable Bangladeshi community & people from The Yemen,( and yes they are Muslim) absolutely NO effort what so ever or dare I say any interest too be part of the country they have moved to. On the other hand peoples from The Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico,& British Guyana amongst others seem willing to do so.


My question wasn't which immigrant groups do you think are most likely or not to assimilate. You've ignored the majority of the significant countries of origin of that wave of immigration (which didn't include in any significant numbers people from,yemen, puerto rico or the dominican republic) such as the former British territories in the West Indies,and people from India, and Africa.)You've only mentioned one group of any size,people from Bangla Desh/

2001 census figures showed x4 more people of Indian than Bangla Deshi origin, x2 more people of Carribbean origin than Bangla Deshi, and x c75% more people of African origin than Bangla Deshi.Yet only Bangla Deshi's in a seemingly negative context (about 13%? of just the total from Bangla Desh,the West Indies,India and Africa) appeared to come near the top of your thinking.

Also,I'm not sure you've actually answered the question I posed.

Do you think that wave of immigration from the late 1950's-the mid 1970's has enriched this country (as opposed to just where you now live) and its culture/s in any ways? If you do,how do you think it has been enriched?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Feb 2015 11.36pm)

I am of course speaking from an American view point..(Stirling would probably put it more eloquently than me )

 


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legaleagle Flag 21 Feb 15 11.44pm

Fair point Jimenez. Sorry, my extremely ineloquent error.Forgot you were now an migrant.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 8.39pm

Quote matt_himself at 21 Feb 2015 7.39pm

1. Under Labour, Britain embarked upon the social engineering project that is multiculturalism. Labour wanted it, Labour pursued it and Labour defend it. It is flawed. Indiginous communities resent having new communities thrust upon them, the immigrant communities feel marginalised, hated and stick to their own. Question this, and you are racist;

Not true, the term multiculturalism just became popular, successive governments have been focused on the idea of social engineering and cultural intergration since 1945, when after the war, actual multicultural engineering programs were introduced for 'refuges' created from the war.

The idea that Labour somehow invented social engineering or multiculturalism is abusrd.

All society is multicultural rather than monocultural, consisting of any number of different, disparate and allied cultural ideas shared and rejected.

The rise of the term Multicultural has largely been by groups that don't want to be seen as racist, and instead have attacked the idea of 'multiculturalism' as a means of presenting a 'white British, primarily English, Cultural superiority' - a nonsense in its own right, as such a thing is itself indefinable.


Where did I say Labour invented it?

And in typical style Jamie, you didn't address a key part of my post which was that the system of multiculturalism is largely resented by the immigrant population.

Your last paragraph is pure rubbish. The fact is that you cannot debate multiculturalism without bing labelled racist and if you question it, you are told to shut up. It is and will continue to be a major issue in British society and, just with the EU, until we can have a debate about it, we will come no closer to healing the wounds in society.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Feb 15 9.27am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

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The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.


Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 22 Feb 15 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.


Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?

 


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Hoof Hearted 22 Feb 15 10.04am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Feb 2015 8.28pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 21 Feb 2015 8.17pm

I’m a ‘brown person’ (well half brown anyway) – Yet I vote for UKIP, I wonder what my reasons for voting for them are? I’m also a successful company director so there goes the argument that I must be some sort of angry guy on the fringes of society..
Instead of trying to denigrate UKIP voters why not accept that the country is in a bloody mess and that UKIP actually have the balls to raise their heads above the parapet to address the issues that the other parties would rather sweep under the carpet.

Well said that man.


Seconded!

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Feb 15 10.10am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.


Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?


I didn't mention "anybody else". I only asked the question about her. Any ideas rather than trying your best to cloud it?

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 10.14am)

 


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Hoof Hearted 22 Feb 15 10.10am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.


Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?


Bravo Sir!

2 good repostes in succession.

Not bad for a Brown person... LOL...

 

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Hoof Hearted 22 Feb 15 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 10.10am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?


I didn't mention "anyone else". I only asked the question about her. Any ideas rather than trying your best to cloud it?


Be fair Kermy.... I took your post as a general slur against UKIP rather than a genuine enquiry about her state of mind.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Feb 2015 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 10.10am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?


I didn't mention "anyone else". I only asked the question about her. Any ideas rather than trying your best to cloud it?


Be fair Kermy.... I took your post as a general slur against UKIP rather than a genuine enquiry about her state of mind.


Ah, that's because you both didn't read the words properly or had already made up your mind before you did

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 22 Feb 15 10.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 10.10am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.59am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Feb 2015 9.27am

Footage of Rozanne Duncan - UKIP Councillor up until a few weeks ago - saying she has a “problem” with “Negroes” and admitting she would refuse to attend dinner if seated next to a black person.

[Link]


The question is - why would a person with these feelings choose to join UKIP and be ambitious enough to get to councillor level for them? What was it about Nige and his party that made her gravitate?


Must be Thatcher's fault somewhere along the line.


Edited by Kermit8 (22 Feb 2015 9.43am)


Love the way you presume to know what makes her or anybody else wish to follow UKIP. Using the same logic does this mean that anyone who supports the established parties must be tax dodgers and sexual deviants because all these parties have many many cases of both going back years?


I didn't mention "anyone else". I only asked the question about her. Any ideas rather than trying your best to cloud it?

Are you seriously asking me why she votes UKIP? How the heck would I or anyone else on here know how she thinks! Everybody walks their own path in life and everybody has their own set of life experiences which help form their own political views. It's a stupid question however if you are genuinely interested in why she supports UKIP why don’t you ask her yourself
Out of interest Kermit, who do you vote for?

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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