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 Mwncisee  Middlesbrough 04 Feb 24 8.58am |
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I find myself just waiting for the news alert he has been sacked.
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stevo  Reigate 04 Feb 24 9.05am |
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
Seeing his interview, I think Roy is disillusioned. He’s stubborn, arrogant and incapable of accepting blame. I cannot feel sorry for him and he should take his millions and relax in the sun while he still can. He is no use to this club anymore. He was exactly the same when he failed with England. I don’t hate the guy and he does deserve respect, but for the love of God I am going off football with him still in charge.
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| taylors lovechild 04 Feb 24 9.34am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I respectfully disagree SW. There are many factors in football beyond that on paper. In any instance, I would suggest this team is, 'on paper', a lot more capable than the results and certainly performances we have seen this season. Morale, fitness, coaching, tactics, formation, team selections, substitutions, set pieces, all these things contribute to a football team's performance and you could almost write separate essays on the extent to which each of these things have been shockingly very poor at Palace. I really hate this seemingly accepted sentiment that we have a really sh!t team with only one or two decent players and the discussion stops there with the manager entirely removed as part of the equation. If others disagree they're fully entitled to however the absolute shambolic and pathetic performances we've put in, for me, extends well beyond 'the players are sh!t'. It all stems from the manager as far as I can see. I'm sure many could do far worse, but equally, there has to be a number who could do a lot better. It's the root of the issue, the most easily and perhaps only thing that can be changed in such dire times. I concur. I think it's worth asking the question not what is Roy doing wrong but what is he doing right? I no longer see anything that he is doing right. His big strength was always getting the team organised and hard to beat, but that has gone right out the window. Even ignoring the tactics, the performances and the team selections, how must it feel for the rest of the squad that Roy basically tells them every time they don't win that they are not good enough? Maybe they lack belief because Roy keeps telling them only a few players are up to the task. He is failing badly and he probably knows it's his last job given how things have gone. A few stragglers are still trying to support him, but there is no evidence left to suggest that's a good idea and it basically seems built on the premise of 'is there anyone better' to takeover. At this point you start to wonder if there's anyone worse.
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| Goalpost1 Worcester Park 04 Feb 24 9.39am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I concur. I think it's worth asking the question not what is Roy doing wrong but what is he doing right? I no longer see anything that he is doing right. His big strength was always getting the team organised and hard to beat, but that has gone right out the window. Even ignoring the tactics, the performances and the team selections, how must it feel for the rest of the squad that Roy basically tells them every time they don't win that they are not good enough? Maybe they lack belief because Roy keeps telling them only a few players are up to the task. He is failing badly and he probably knows it's his last job given how things have gone. A few stragglers are still trying to support him, but there is no evidence left to suggest that's a good idea and it basically seems built on the premise of 'is there anyone better' to takeover. At this point you start to wonder if there's anyone worse. Absolutely agree with this post. We have decent players beyond Eze and Olise, its clear the players almost bar none are playing below their usual standard. You can see in energy levels and application they are not really playing for their manager, by contrast look at Wolves and Luton for example. Hodgson surely has to go. Edited by Goalpost1 (04 Feb 2024 10.22am)
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| samprior Hamburg 04 Feb 24 9.48am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I concur. I think it's worth asking the question not what is Roy doing wrong but what is he doing right? I no longer see anything that he is doing right. His big strength was always getting the team organised and hard to beat, but that has gone right out the window. Even ignoring the tactics, the performances and the team selections, how must it feel for the rest of the squad that Roy basically tells them every time they don't win that they are not good enough? Maybe they lack belief because Roy keeps telling them only a few players are up to the task. He is failing badly and he probably knows it's his last job given how things have gone. A few stragglers are still trying to support him, but there is no evidence left to suggest that's a good idea and it basically seems built on the premise of 'is there anyone better' to takeover. At this point you start to wonder if there's anyone worse. Couldn't agree more.
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| gazzaa2 04 Feb 24 10.46am |
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The problem with giving Roy the job for this season is the players know he's not staying beyond that, so it takes away authority in the dressing room or a feel of forward momentum. Instead it's treading water. He came in at the back end of the season just for a few months to shore the season up which was fine and worked. Roy retired in 2021, knowing his time was up. Then went to Watford where he was a disaster. He's not up to a full season managing in the Premier League anymore. He's been prickly all season. Parish reluctant to sack him because he'd rather he got a proper send off last home game, rather than it end badly, but his hand will get forced. Edited by gazzaa2 (04 Feb 2024 10.47am)
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| Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 04 Feb 24 10.53am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I concur. I think it's worth asking the question not what is Roy doing wrong but what is he doing right? I no longer see anything that he is doing right. His big strength was always getting the team organised and hard to beat, but that has gone right out the window. Even ignoring the tactics, the performances and the team selections, how must it feel for the rest of the squad that Roy basically tells them every time they don't win that they are not good enough? Maybe they lack belief because Roy keeps telling them only a few players are up to the task. He is failing badly and he probably knows it's his last job given how things have gone. A few stragglers are still trying to support him, but there is no evidence left to suggest that's a good idea and it basically seems built on the premise of 'is there anyone better' to takeover. At this point you start to wonder if there's anyone worse. Very well said. Nicholas91 and TL have encapsulated in 2 posts what I have been boring my household with for the past 5 weeks! Has to happen today - but I have an impending sense of doom that Paddy with be interim manager till the end of the season- when the guy we’ve been waiting for (otherwise why wouldn’t we already have made the change) is free to take the reins.
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Rainforest  London England 04 Feb 24 10.58am |
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Do we already have someone lined up for the start of next season ? If yes, why not bring him in now ?
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| nectoneagle necton 04 Feb 24 10.59am |
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I suppose the best we could have hoped for this year is a boring tedious season with our expectations far outwieghing that of the club.With the appointment of Roy it was a question of keep us in the Premiership Roy, very little ambition and again hopefully there will be 3 teams worse than us.
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| southnorwoodhill 04 Feb 24 11.00am |
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Originally posted by gazzaa2
The problem with giving Roy the job for this season is the players know he's not staying beyond that, so it takes away authority in the dressing room or a feel of forward momentum. Instead it's treading water. He came in at the back end of the season just for a few months to shore the season up which was fine and worked. Roy retired in 2021, knowing his time was up. Then went to Watford where he was a disaster. He's not up to a full season managing in the Premier League anymore. He's been prickly all season. Parish reluctant to sack him because he'd rather he got a proper send off last home game, rather than it end badly, but his hand will get forced. Edited by gazzaa2 (04 Feb 2024 10.47am) Agreed.
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 Foxy0208 Blackpool 04 Feb 24 11.00am |
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Unless Roy goes I can't see anything changing. He seems to think that his 'strength & resilience' make him the right man for the job. All that means to me is he believes he is right and everyone else is wrong so he will carry on doing exactly what he has been doing. We can't get beyond 5 mintues without conceding a goal, we offer little goal threat without Olise & Eze and Roy prefers to play certain players out of position rather than trust the younger players. I have only ever heard him criticise the younger players - he never says a word about some of the more established players who we know have underperformed and in some cases simply are no longer good enough. He just keeps picking them. Actually I am not sure calling out any players after a poor performance is a good strategy but Roy consistently does it with the younger players. Probably because he is angry at being criticised for not playing them. We didn't just lose yesterday because we didn't have Olise & Eze. There was no clear gameplan and players who should be better seemed dispirited. All the things Roy used to be good at he seems bad at now. Terrible tactics and his man management seems very poor. His behaviour yesterday towards Olise was dreadful. That stubborn streak of his will see us in the championship next season.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that. |
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| davehuggins 04 Feb 24 11.09am |
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Play players we have in the correct positions and have no fear of using the youngsters if they are good enough. It can't be any worse than what we are seeing now can it? We need to apply fight and passion to get through these bad times and a decent coach might help as well. Anybody tell me when we last scored from a corner, had just this one area been addressed we may been far more relaxed than now. Come on RH enough is enough OK!!!!!!!!
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