Do you adhere to the view that ANY criticism of Israel is an attack on all Jews?

Corbyn (who I don't like) said till he was blue in the face that he wasn't antisemitic but anti aspects of Zionism, and made policies, while in local government, supporting Jewish cemeteries etc. Yet people still throw the A-S rock at him.

Many do. It is one of the most insidious forms of oppression of free speech today.

If Israel behaves badly, why is it wrong to say so? Bad conduct is bad no matter who commits it and no matter what the provocation. Israel prides itself on being the sole presence of intelligent democracy in an otherwise basket case of a region so as to operate to higher standards than Hamas. It also has a right to defend itself; but it must do so proportionately and in compliance with international law. If it steps beyond that (which it very much is) then surely somebody has to call them to account. We should not be cowed by the accusation that to do so would make us antisemitic.

Yep, they wanted us gone so they could get busy with large scale home displacement.

Unlike the British government I don't forgive what they did so easily (and actually blame us for).

However, you have to give them kudos for beating the Arabs in three wars despite being outnumbered (albeit with American support).

However, today it seems that the ordinary Palestinian who just wants to get on with their life has no chance to.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The "liberal left", hard left, showbiz luvvies and many in the media are very pro-Palestine and, although they deny it, many are anti-Semitic. To them, the Palestinians are the perennial victims while nasty evil Jewish Israel are always going to be the baddies.

To this end, pro-Palestinian demonstrations are always going to be handled with kid gloves. We don't want to upset the Muslims, you know.

Look at the Football Association's refusal to light the Wembley Arch in Israel's colours for fear of "a backlash from some communities". Oh yeah, don't want to upset the Muslims.

Someone on here has likened Israel's actions, or potential actions, as "Ethnic cleansing". After what happened during the Holocaust that is a disgusting thing to say, and totally wrong. Israel wants to destroy Hamas. That's not ethnic cleansing, that's getting rid of a threat.

Yet, the aim of Hamas is wipe the state of Israel off the face of the earth. That sounds to me like ethnic cleansing, but because it is Palestinians saying it, that's fine.

Palestinian civilians are and will continue to get killed. Hamas knew how Israel would react when they attacked, so from the onset they were perfectly willing to sacrifice civilians in Gaza.

People need to remember who actually started this present conflict. Hamas started it.

As Stirling has said, it really makes no difference what they said afterwards.
Previously, they claimed that the British did not mourn the six million dead Jews in WW2, so they didn't apologise for the deaths of the British in the hotel.

I have no great love for Israel, but in the end we all have to pick sides.
Hamas might not represent all ordinary Muslims, but ordinary Muslims will also have to ultimately choose sides.

The West sides with Israel. There is no room for complex moral issues and ideals in war. If your enemy wants to kill you, then you must stop them.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Oct 2023 1.44pm)

There is too much to unpick in this (I won't bother) but you do realise that much of this country's liberal, luvvy left are Jews?

We can all have our opinions about the rights and wrongs of this situation, but when someone is threatening your safety, it becomes irrelevant.
To put it bluntly. I don't feel threatened by the Jewish community.
Our government supports them in geopolitical terms, and that puts non Muslim British citizens on one side of the fence, whether we like it or not.

I'd rather keep out of it, but our wonderful politicians have made that impossible.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Oct 2023 1.53pm)