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becky over the moon 29 Dec 22 2.32pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I don't. So, is she a hypocrite and/or was she standing in the street to discourage and humiliate vulnerable young women considering abortion? We shall see what happens when she appears at Birmingham Magistrates Court on February 2 charged with four counts of failing to comply with a Public Space Protection Order. Edited by Mapletree (29 Dec 2022 11.58am) I keep seeing references to vulnerable & young women on this thread when in fact, the latest statistics from the Dept. of Health Improvement & Disparities shows that the majority of women going to these clinics will be over 35 years of age, so certainly not young, and many, if not most of them, would not necessarily be classified as 'vulnerable' either. Attachment: Abortion by age group.png (20.91Kb) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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becky

over the moon 29 Dec 22 2.32pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't.

So, is she a hypocrite and/or was she standing in the street to discourage and humiliate vulnerable young women considering abortion?

We shall see what happens when she appears at Birmingham Magistrates Court on February 2 charged with four counts of failing to comply with a Public Space Protection Order.

Edited by Mapletree (29 Dec 2022 11.58am)

I keep seeing references to vulnerable & young women on this thread when in fact, the latest statistics from the Dept. of Health Improvement & Disparities shows that the majority of women going to these clinics will be over 35 years of age, so certainly not young, and many, if not most of them, would not necessarily be classified as 'vulnerable' either.

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Dec 22 3.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's well documented that he wasn't a fan of expensive winter jackets. As for this poor woman of conscience, I hear she's been charged with four counts of violating an abortion clinic 'buffer zone'. I do agree that there is a difference between protest and harassment. There is a difference between protest and seeking to economically damage people.....Just stop oil's actions for example. The woman in question, Ms Vaughan-Spruce has commented on these charges: 'It’s abhorrently wrong that I was arrested, brought into cells, searched and humiliated by police simply for praying in the privacy of my own mind. Censorship zone legislation purports to ban harassment, which is already illegal and obviously justifiable as nobody should be subject to harassment. But what I did was the furthest thing from harmful – I was exercising my freedom of thought, my freedom of religion, inside the privacy of my own mind. Nobody should be criminalised for thinking, for praying, in a public space in the UK. I have devoted much of my life to supporting women in crisis pregnancies with everything that they need to make an empowered choice for motherhood. I am also involved in supporting women who have had abortions and are struggling with the consequences of it. I’ve grown close to many of the women I’ve been able to support over the years, and it breaks my heart to know that so many more go through this every day. My faith is a central part of who I am, so sometimes I’ll stand or walk near an abortion facility and pray about this issue. This is something I’ve done pretty much every week for around the last 20 years of my life. I pray for my friends who have experienced abortion, and for the women who are thinking about going through it themselves.' Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 2.11pm) Yes, that's what she says. Clearly she is so much better informed on abortion than the clinics she hangs around outside of for so much of her spare time. Stand or walk near an abortion clinic? She herself says she has travelled to them (a 70 mile round trip for this one) every week for 20 years. Perhaps we could hear from those women she has grown close to as a result. Funny, I thought it was a legal requirement for the abortion clinics to support women in crisis pregnancies with everything that they need to make an empowered choice for motherhood.
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Croydon 29 Dec 22 3.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's well documented that he wasn't a fan of expensive winter jackets.

As for this poor woman of conscience, I hear she's been charged with four counts of violating an abortion clinic 'buffer zone'.

I do agree that there is a difference between protest and harassment. There is a difference between protest and seeking to economically damage people.....Just stop oil's actions for example.

The woman in question, Ms Vaughan-Spruce has commented on these charges:

'It’s abhorrently wrong that I was arrested, brought into cells, searched and humiliated by police simply for praying in the privacy of my own mind.

Censorship zone legislation purports to ban harassment, which is already illegal and obviously justifiable as nobody should be subject to harassment.

But what I did was the furthest thing from harmful – I was exercising my freedom of thought, my freedom of religion, inside the privacy of my own mind.

Nobody should be criminalised for thinking, for praying, in a public space in the UK.

I have devoted much of my life to supporting women in crisis pregnancies with everything that they need to make an empowered choice for motherhood.

I am also involved in supporting women who have had abortions and are struggling with the consequences of it.

I’ve grown close to many of the women I’ve been able to support over the years, and it breaks my heart to know that so many more go through this every day.

My faith is a central part of who I am, so sometimes I’ll stand or walk near an abortion facility and pray about this issue.

This is something I’ve done pretty much every week for around the last 20 years of my life. I pray for my friends who have experienced abortion, and for the women who are thinking about going through it themselves.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 2.11pm)

Yes, that's what she says. Clearly she is so much better informed on abortion than the clinics she hangs around outside of for so much of her spare time. Stand or walk near an abortion clinic? She herself says she has travelled to them (a 70 mile round trip for this one) every week for 20 years. Perhaps we could hear from those women she has grown close to as a result.

Funny, I thought it was a legal requirement for the abortion clinics to support women in crisis pregnancies with everything that they need to make an empowered choice for motherhood.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Dec 22 3.42pm
Originally posted by becky I keep seeing references to vulnerable & young women on this thread when in fact, the latest statistics from the Dept. of Health Improvement & Disparities shows that the majority of women going to these clinics will be over 35 years of age, so certainly not young, and many, if not most of them, would not necessarily be classified as 'vulnerable' either. This is interesting data, but I note that the Office For Health Improvement and Disparities graph was simply trying to show the difference between under 18s and 35 and overs. The graph is therefore only a sub-set. Why do you say many/most would not be classified as vulnerable, from where does that element come? The official UK Government statistics show: 1) The highest number of abortions are amongst the 20 to 24 age group 2) The second highest number is 25 to 29 2) The lowest number 40 to 44 (the oldest group) 3) The largest number come from deprived areas, you are twice as likely to have an abortion if you do Edited by Mapletree (29 Dec 2022 3.48pm) Attachment: Figure 16.docx (41.79Kb)
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Mapletree

Croydon 29 Dec 22 3.42pm

Originally posted by becky

This is interesting data, but I note that the Office For Health Improvement and Disparities graph was simply trying to show the difference between under 18s and 35 and overs. The graph is therefore only a sub-set.

Why do you say many/most would not be classified as vulnerable, from where does that element come?

The official UK Government statistics show:

1) The highest number of abortions are amongst the 20 to 24 age group
2) The second highest number is 25 to 29
2) The lowest number 40 to 44 (the oldest group)
3) The largest number come from deprived areas, you are twice as likely to have an abortion if you do

Edited by Mapletree (29 Dec 2022 3.48pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.52pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 It's not bizarre to say that as they often do not deal with both, that's the point I was making. I was not suggesting they deal with some crimes and not others. Did you deliberately misread that? Or are you determined to push your own pro-abortion and defence of others agenda here and therefore deliberately manipulating th e debate to paint me as the opposition to that? The woman could well have creates a physical altercation, as can anyone l, doing anything, anywhere. There is no link between silent prayer and physical altercation however, that is subjectively invented in the mind. Again, that is my point. That is 'thought policing' not 'police, policing'. You're moving into Wisbech realms of ignoring the narrative in my post and twisting it/inventing your own to argue against Maple. . I am very glad to read that in subsequent posts you confirm that you accept this lady was in the wrong and that your real issue is police priorities. Which is another issue, which you can engage in via many channels. I am though intrigued on your suggestion that my narrative is somehow different to Maple’s. From all I can see we are both on the same page over this. If you think I have ignored your argument then I apologise but it was unintentional and must of been the result of it being unclear. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.52pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It's not bizarre to say that as they often do not deal with both, that's the point I was making. I was not suggesting they deal with some crimes and not others. Did you deliberately misread that? Or are you determined to push your own pro-abortion and defence of others agenda here and therefore deliberately manipulating th e debate to paint me as the opposition to that?

The woman could well have creates a physical altercation, as can anyone l, doing anything, anywhere. There is no link between silent prayer and physical altercation however, that is subjectively invented in the mind. Again, that is my point. That is 'thought policing' not 'police, policing'.

You're moving into Wisbech realms of ignoring the narrative in my post and twisting it/inventing your own to argue against Maple.

I am very glad to read that in subsequent posts you confirm that you accept this lady was in the wrong and that your real issue is police priorities. Which is another issue, which you can engage in via many channels.

I am though intrigued on your suggestion that my narrative is somehow different to Maple’s. From all I can see we are both on the same page over this. If you think I have ignored your argument then I apologise but it was unintentional and must of been the result of it being unclear.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's well documented that he wasn't a fan of expensive winter jackets. As for this poor woman of conscience, I hear she's been charged with four counts of violating an abortion clinic 'buffer zone'. I do agree that there is a difference between protest and harassment. There is a difference between protest and seeking to economically damage people.....Just stop oil's actions for example. The woman in question, Ms Vaughan-Spruce has commented on these charges: 'It’s abhorrently wrong that I was arrested, brought into cells, searched and humiliated by police simply for praying in the privacy of my own mind. Censorship zone legislation purports to ban harassment, which is already illegal and obviously justifiable as nobody should be subject to harassment. But what I did was the furthest thing from harmful – I was exercising my freedom of thought, my freedom of religion, inside the privacy of my own mind. Nobody should be criminalised for thinking, for praying, in a public space in the UK. I have devoted much of my life to supporting women in crisis pregnancies with everything that they need to make an empowered choice for motherhood. I am also involved in supporting women who have had abortions and are struggling with the consequences of it. I’ve grown close to many of the women I’ve been able to support over the years, and it breaks my heart to know that so many more go through this every day. My faith is a central part of who I am, so sometimes I’ll stand or walk near an abortion facility and pray about this issue. This is something I’ve done pretty much every week for around the last 20 years of my life. I pray for my friends who have experienced abortion, and for the women who are thinking about going through it themselves.' Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 2.11pm) The lady has a perfect right to hold and express these views and to campaign for the law to be changed. She can protest outside police stations and council offices, get elected or go on TV. What she cannot do is break the law. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 22 3.58pm