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Mapletree Flag Croydon 26 Jan 23 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

I split up with a girlfriend once because I found out she was a Christian.

Before you get too judgemental, I'd only been going out with her since she was Christine.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 26 Jan 23 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

You've completely missed the point Maple but congratulations on an irrelevant diatribe and snipe at someone for completely imagined reasons.

Do enlighten me.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 26 Jan 23 3.06pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

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An interesting turn of events.

How does Sturgeon align this with other standpoints?

Being locked up for decades with the hardest women in Scotland does not sound like a soft option. Shades of cuckoo nest?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 26 Jan 23 3.32pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Being locked up for decades with the hardest women in Scotland does not sound like a soft option. Shades of cuckoo nest?

The trouble is, it appears she can still get hard...

 

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Beastie Flag 27 Jan 23 7.50am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

For information (latest information I could find):

Number of legally male prisoners who identify as female, in female estates across England and Wales, 2018 and 2019

2018 9
2019 0

Surely if the SNP have their way, no transwoman will be legally male?

 

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YT Flag Oxford 27 Jan 23 9.04am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

Surely if the SNP have their way, no transwoman will be legally male?

Accordingly Sturgeon has ably demonstrated the nonsense of her own flagship legislation.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jan 23 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

Surely if the SNP have their way, no transwoman will be legally male?

Which is probably why the information you quoted for England and Wales looks different from the information for Scotland. Albeit yes, some transwomen will remain legally male. Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently.

The Scottish Bill includes safeguards against misuse of the system. It will be a criminal offence for applicants to make a false application. A new statutory aggravator and a risk based approach in relation to sex offences strengthen these protections. It is a Bill that has been deeply considered and well prepared, despite the mucky nonsense spouted by some.

When Nicola Sturgeon stated:

that the Scottish Parliament’s gender reform legislation “doesn’t in any way change the system” which determines what prison transgender criminals are sent to.

and also stated that a trans woman has no automatic right to be housed in a female prison, but will be housed according to a risk assessment as is standard, did you not believe her?

Or do you have some kind of personal agenda?

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 12.39pm)

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jan 23 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Accordingly Sturgeon has ably demonstrated the nonsense of her own flagship legislation.

I assume you have read the Bill in detail then.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Jan 23 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Which is probably why the information you quoted for England and Wales looks different from the information for Scotland. Albeit yes, some transwomen will remain legally male. Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently.

The Scottish Bill includes safeguards against misuse of the system. It will be a criminal offence for applicants to make a false application. A new statutory aggravator and a risk based approach in relation to sex offences strengthen these protections. It is a Bill that has been deeply considered and well prepared, despite the mucky nonsense spouted by some.

When Nicola Sturgeon stated:

that the Scottish Parliament’s gender reform legislation “doesn’t in any way change the system” which determines what prison transgender criminals are sent to.

and also stated that a trans woman has no automatic right to be housed in a female prison, but will be housed according to a risk assessment as is standard, did you not believe her?

Or do you have some kind of personal agenda?

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 12.39pm)

It's a challenge to believe much of what she says. In 2016 she pledged to publish her tax returns which still hasn't happened.

 

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Beastie Flag 27 Jan 23 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Which is probably why the information you quoted for England and Wales looks different from the information for Scotland. Albeit yes, some transwomen will remain legally male. Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently.

The Scottish Bill includes safeguards against misuse of the system. It will be a criminal offence for applicants to make a false application. A new statutory aggravator and a risk based approach in relation to sex offences strengthen these protections. It is a Bill that has been deeply considered and well prepared, despite the mucky nonsense spouted by some.

When Nicola Sturgeon stated:

that the Scottish Parliament’s gender reform legislation “doesn’t in any way change the system” which determines what prison transgender criminals are sent to.

and also stated that a trans woman has no automatic right to be housed in a female prison, but will be housed according to a risk assessment as is standard, did you not believe her?

Or do you have some kind of personal agenda?

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 12.39pm)

Yes, there's no way a sex offender would knowingly fill a form out incorrectly.

I believe there will be risk assessments. And when a female prisoner inevitably gets raped, I’m sure there’ll be an inquiry. So that’s good.

 

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Matov Flag 27 Jan 23 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

But self-identification is just that. Self. How do you 'define' a woman? What is a false application?

Hence why this utter nonsense falls down at the first serious hurdle. How do you define what a 'trans' woman is?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jan 23 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

Yes, there's no way a sex offender would knowingly fill a form out incorrectly.

I believe there will be risk assessments. And when a female prisoner inevitably gets raped, I’m sure there’ll be an inquiry. So that’s good.

As above. These people almost all go into single person cells.

But if you are really concerned about rape in prisons, maybe you would like to read the report linked below. It happens a fair amount woman on woman and man on man.

Transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders when they enter prisons. As such the risk analyses undertaken by the prison will take that into account.

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