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georgenorman 19 Oct 21 9.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Links please. What, by the way, do you understand by "Sharia Law"? Try reading this:-https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/in-the-news/2019/02/25/sharia-law-what-it-is-what-it-isnt-and-why-you-should-know If it helps people lead a better life, and settles disputes, where is there a problem? It can never replace our common law which is there for every citizen, regardless of their faith. Do your own research, I'm not your secretary. We know too well what sharia law would mean.
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georgenorman

19 Oct 21 9.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Links please. What, by the way, do you understand by "Sharia Law"?

Try reading this:-https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/in-the-news/2019/02/25/sharia-law-what-it-is-what-it-isnt-and-why-you-should-know

If it helps people lead a better life, and settles disputes, where is there a problem? It can never replace our common law which is there for every citizen, regardless of their faith.

Do your own research, I'm not your secretary. We know too well what sharia law would mean.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 10.01pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Do your own research, I'm not your secretary. We know too well what sharia law would mean. As it was your assertion, it is for you to establish its validity. Without it, it is worthless. I am indeed not your secretary. So perhaps you can ask them to do your work for you. That's the point! Many people THINK they know what sharia law involves, but the extreme versions seen elsewhere could never apply here, where common law over-rides almost everything else. Religions have their own laws which relate to themselves alone. Canon law being an example. Read the link. Not the Daily Mail. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 10.01pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Do your own research, I'm not your secretary. We know too well what sharia law would mean.

As it was your assertion, it is for you to establish its validity. Without it, it is worthless.

I am indeed not your secretary. So perhaps you can ask them to do your work for you.

That's the point! Many people THINK they know what sharia law involves, but the extreme versions seen elsewhere could never apply here, where common law over-rides almost everything else. Religions have their own laws which relate to themselves alone. Canon law being an example. Read the link. Not the Daily Mail.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 19 Oct 21 10.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As it was your assertion, it is for you to establish its validity. Without it, it is worthless. I am indeed not your secretary. So perhaps you can ask them to do your work for you. That's the point! Many people THINK they know what sharia law involves, but the extreme versions seen elsewhere could never apply here, where common law over-rides almost everything else. Religions have their own laws which relate to themselves alone. Canon law being an example. Read the link. Not the Daily Mail. Policy Exchange survey in 2016, described as the largest study of Muslim opinion in the UK ever undertaken also found widespread belief in conspiracy theories - 52% of Muslims said they "did not know" who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. 31% said the "American Government", 7% said "Jews", and just 4% said al-Qaeda. [I haven't read a copy of the Daily Mail for several years - last time was a free copy on a plane.]
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georgenorman

19 Oct 21 10.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As it was your assertion, it is for you to establish its validity. Without it, it is worthless.

I am indeed not your secretary. So perhaps you can ask them to do your work for you.

Policy Exchange survey in 2016, described as the largest study of Muslim opinion in the UK ever undertaken also found widespread belief in conspiracy theories - 52% of Muslims said they "did not know" who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. 31% said the "American Government", 7% said "Jews", and just 4% said al-Qaeda. [I haven't read a copy of the Daily Mail for several years - last time was a free copy on a plane.]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 11.08pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Policy Exchange survey in 2016, described as the largest study of Muslim opinion in the UK ever undertaken also found widespread belief in conspiracy theories - 52% of Muslims said they "did not know" who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. 31% said the "American Government", 7% said "Jews", and just 4% said al-Qaeda. [I haven't read a copy of the Daily Mail for several years - last time was a free copy on a plane.] It's been a long time since I read this report, which everyone can here:-https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/PEXJ5037_Muslim_Communities_FINAL.pdf Any objective reader will conclude that it's overriding finding is tangentially opposed to the picture you seek to paint. The very first line of the foreword says "Britain’s Muslims are amongst the country’s most loyal, patriotic and law-abiding citizens. The truth of this is confirmed by the polling that sits at the heart of this report". Indeed, that is confirmed on every page and in every section. If you don't believe me, read it yourself. Nowhere does it suggest that 50% of Muslims would support the introduction of Shania Law. What it actually says is:- "When asked whether they would support the introduction of Sharia Law – broadly defined, to include civil law on questions of financial disputes – some 43% said they supported this proposition, whereas 22% opposed it (23% neither supported nor opposed), while 12% said they did not know." Note, on questions of financial disputes! Which is simply a way of asking your own community to mediate on such issues without the expense of going to court. Which everyone still has the right to do, if they don't accept the mediation. Courts often demand the use of mediation in such matters as a first step to a resolution. The scaremongering over Shania is just another example of the attempts some make to create fear and division. Read the whole report. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 11.08pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

It's been a long time since I read this report, which everyone can here:-https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/PEXJ5037_Muslim_Communities_FINAL.pdf

Any objective reader will conclude that it's overriding finding is tangentially opposed to the picture you seek to paint.

The very first line of the foreword says "Britain’s Muslims are amongst the country’s most loyal, patriotic and law-abiding
citizens. The truth of this is confirmed by the polling that sits at the heart of this report".

Indeed, that is confirmed on every page and in every section. If you don't believe me, read it yourself. Nowhere does it suggest that 50% of Muslims would support the introduction of Shania Law. What it actually says is:-

"When asked whether they would support the introduction of
Sharia Law – broadly defined, to include civil law on questions of financial disputes – some 43% said they supported this proposition, whereas 22% opposed it (23% neither supported nor opposed), while 12% said they did not know."

Note, on questions of financial disputes! Which is simply a way of asking your own community to mediate on such issues without the expense of going to court. Which everyone still has the right to do, if they don't accept the mediation. Courts often demand the use of mediation in such matters as a first step to a resolution.

The scaremongering over Shania is just another example of the attempts some make to create fear and division. Read the whole report.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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BlueJay UK 20 Oct 21 12.38am
All of these headline making inadequates without fail have juvenile persecution complexes, and see absolutely everything through the lens of imminent threat (to them). Whether Islamic, far right or far left, life on the whole isn't some kind of nightmare for any of them aside from inside their own heads. Often when you find out who is behind terror attacks here they have actually led perfectly comfortable, boring lives (as was the case here). If anything that's often part of the process and problem though. Entitled types, who crave admiration and think life should've been 'something greater'. No self awareness. Any opposition to their ridiculous attitudes angers them, so further down the ideological rabbit hole they crawl - since they're far more likely to get a pat on the head and a cookie from individuals and groups even more far gone than they are. Further detached from society and blinded by their own emotionally stunted partial world view they believe they've finally found 'their tribe'. And are ready to mentally or actually dismantle other peoples.. Thank you, but no. Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 1.06am)
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BlueJay

UK 20 Oct 21 12.38am

All of these headline making inadequates without fail have juvenile persecution complexes, and see absolutely everything through the lens of imminent threat (to them). Whether Islamic, far right or far left, life on the whole isn't some kind of nightmare for any of them aside from inside their own heads.

Often when you find out who is behind terror attacks here they have actually led perfectly comfortable, boring lives (as was the case here). If anything that's often part of the process and problem though. Entitled types, who crave admiration and think life should've been 'something greater'. No self awareness. Any opposition to their ridiculous attitudes angers them, so further down the ideological rabbit hole they crawl - since they're far more likely to get a pat on the head and a cookie from individuals and groups even more far gone than they are. Further detached from society and blinded by their own emotionally stunted partial world view they believe they've finally found 'their tribe'. And are ready to mentally or actually dismantle other peoples..

Thank you, but no.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 1.06am)

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georgenorman 20 Oct 21 7.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The scaremongering over Shania is just another example of the attempts some make to create fear and division. Read the whole report. I notice that you do not address the part where it says: "52% of Muslims said they 'did not know' who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. 31% said the 'American Government', 7% said 'Jews', and just 4% said al-Qaeda.
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georgenorman

20 Oct 21 7.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The scaremongering over Shania is just another example of the attempts some make to create fear and division. Read the whole report.

I notice that you do not address the part where it says: "52% of Muslims said they 'did not know' who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. 31% said the 'American Government', 7% said 'Jews', and just 4% said al-Qaeda.

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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 21 7.35am
Originally posted by BlueJay All of these headline making inadequates without fail have juvenile persecution complexes, and see absolutely everything through the lens of imminent threat (to them). Whether Islamic, far right or far left, life on the whole isn't some kind of nightmare for any of them aside from inside their own heads. Often when you find out who is behind terror attacks here they have actually led perfectly comfortable, boring lives (as was the case here). If anything that's often part of the process and problem though. Entitled types, who crave admiration and think life should've been 'something greater'. No self awareness. Any opposition to their ridiculous attitudes angers them, so further down the ideological rabbit hole they crawl - since they're far more likely to get a pat on the head and a cookie from individuals and groups even more far gone than they are. Further detached from society and blinded by their own emotionally stunted partial world view they believe they've finally found 'their tribe'. And are ready to mentally or actually dismantle other peoples.. Thank you, but no. Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 1.06am) Bang goes my character reference. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Oct 21 7.35am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Thank you, but no.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 1.06am)

Bang goes my character reference.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 21 8.04am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The 'far right' are largely a persecuted minority. They have no power and aren't going to see any. Not in this country anyway. Most of them are largely focused on community building and survival. On the other hand what use to be considered the 'far left' now control much of the institutions and their buzz words and polices dominate the media and work policies. They are funded to the tune of millions by corporations.....They won because the elites chose them due to the 'long march'. They turned the middle class to the left out of financial inducement and by speaking the language of easy and largely cost free virtue signalling morality tales. They aren't even 'far left' anymore as they are the dominate force comprising the mainstream left.....all they have left to do is actually convince the general public to vote for them. Yet apparently weak arsed fascism is the problem.....but only if it comes with a white skin.....because apparently that manic Hitler from 75 years ago....even though Hitler killed tens of millions of Europeans and Europeans ended him. The Communist party on the other hand...whose ideology killed far more...boy Mao makes everyone else look amateur....well they get their headquarters in London (which was/is frequently visited by major figures in Labour) quite rightly suffer zero persecution and no one bats an eyelid or questions it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2021 4.58pm) I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others. They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people. Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall. He's best ignored.
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20 Oct 21 8.04am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The 'far right' are largely a persecuted minority. They have no power and aren't going to see any. Not in this country anyway. Most of them are largely focused on community building and survival.

On the other hand what use to be considered the 'far left' now control much of the institutions and their buzz words and polices dominate the media and work policies. They are funded to the tune of millions by corporations.....They won because the elites chose them due to the 'long march'. They turned the middle class to the left out of financial inducement and by speaking the language of easy and largely cost free virtue signalling morality tales. They aren't even 'far left' anymore as they are the dominate force comprising the mainstream left.....all they have left to do is actually convince the general public to vote for them.

Yet apparently weak arsed fascism is the problem.....but only if it comes with a white skin.....because apparently that manic Hitler from 75 years ago....even though Hitler killed tens of millions of Europeans and Europeans ended him.

The Communist party on the other hand...whose ideology killed far more...boy Mao makes everyone else look amateur....well they get their headquarters in London (which was/is frequently visited by major figures in Labour) quite rightly suffer zero persecution and no one bats an eyelid or questions it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2021 4.58pm)

I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others.

They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people.

Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall.

He's best ignored.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Oct 21 9.28am
Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fury around the world. I hope he at least has the decency to not attend the funeral. Edited by HKOwen (20 Oct 2021 9.33am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 20 Oct 21 9.28am

Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fury around the world.

I hope he at least has the decency to not attend the funeral.

Edited by HKOwen (20 Oct 2021 9.33am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Oct 21 9.32am
Originally posted by HKOwen Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fry around the world. It's always the total bell-ends that get the news coverage I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 20 Oct 21 9.32am

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fry around the world.

It's always the total bell-ends that get the news coverage

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 21 9.39am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others. They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people. Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall. He's best ignored. Very true, it's like a different language. Just post at those you have some time for or who make you smile.....life's too short. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Oct 21 9.39am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others.

Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall.

He's best ignored.

Very true, it's like a different language.

Just post at those you have some time for or who make you smile.....life's too short.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 20 Oct 21 10.02am
Originally posted by HKOwen Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fury around the world. I hope he at least has the decency to not attend the funeral. Edited by HKOwen (20 Oct 2021 9.33am) Perhaps the family won’t want him there, I wouldn’t
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Horsham 20 Oct 21 10.02am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Mayor of London tweeted he was very sad that Sir David " passed away".He was outraged at the brutal killing of George Floyd which in his opinion rightly ignited fury around the world.

I hope he at least has the decency to not attend the funeral.

Edited by HKOwen (20 Oct 2021 9.33am)

Perhaps the family won’t want him there, I wouldn’t

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