Extremes on one side of an argument spur on extremes on the other. It's a dynamic that spurs both of them on. Clearly someone waving their wang and saying 'I'm a lady' is out of order, as is the 'eagerness' of categorising people as trans, but at the same time so is the tarring of all trans people as some kind of degenerate force. Most people in life have their struggles and just want to strike a balance in life.

Edited by BlueJay (05 Sep 2021 5.15am)

It's valid to make criticisms of anyone and Mark Collet is no different. What I would say is that you characterise his views as if you know them. Yet I suspect you read those from some write up opposed to him rather than actually heard them. If accurate I certainly don't support what you wrote.

How accurate is your description? Does Collet get an opportunity to respond to these descriptions? No he doesn't. Would you like an opportunity to put these to Mark Collet himself? I doubt it....but you're happy to write it.

Also, PA were described as a terrorist organisation. It's not good enough to play shifting sands and talk about 'a few degrees', because its current leader has views you disagree with. No, PA are very clear....they don't support violence in pursuit of political aims.

Also, let it also be clear, what you wrote are not the positions of PA. False impressions should not be allowed to stand. The manifesto is what they stand on.

I've also said several times, I don't support PA because of Mark Collet, I support it and several others because of their stated aims., which aren't what you wrote Just like millions voted Labour without that being a vote for Corbyn

Also, If you want to talk about PA make a PA thread.
This thread is meant to focus on the left yet here we are with supposed centralists focusing on the dissentient right.

I wonder just why that is?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 11.02am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Far Left? Our media, that are supposedly neutral, pushing loony ideas that the Far Left would be proud of.
If such idiocy was restricted to the extremes of politics, then most could see it for what it is.

A few months back the media were extolling the virtues of Black Lives Matter, over here for no reason that made any sense at all, and in America to remove a President.

Don't paint this as two extremes at war because lefty liberal nuttery is now the stuff of every day. Until people push back against it, it will pervade everything.

The Taliban now is it?

You damaged yourself as a reliable commentator on this topic when you lied calling PA a terrorist organisation. And I'll also add were willing to make absolutist claims about the positions of people you don't know.

You were asked for evidence for those claims and presented none.

Now I will agree, that I am not pro any of the ideologies you mentioned, however that isn't what you wrote was it. You were willing to press the nuclear button and exaggerate and I suggest that was far more motivated by emotion.

I will also mention that my views on these various ideologies are also shared by social conservative gays like Douglas Murray on the alphabet groups and the Dalai Lama on immigration into Europe. You are either ignorant or wish to catorgise those you differ from as terrorists.

That stands in line with how the far left wish to paint them, and once again, I'll bring up that you use all their buzzwords while claiming distance from them....over what? Some childish fear of racism claims? As if whatever you think or the truth of whatever a position is makes even the slightest bit of difference.

We can talk about 'racism' if you wish and whose's perspective falls more in line with statistical evidence for their positions. But that isn't really a topic the thread was designed for.

If you want to talk about the dissident right and left and how you think your positions are morally superior to theirs I'll gladly take you on. Personally, while I differ significantly with the far left I can both respect their honesty and in some regards agree with their positions (corporations) and conclusions. But it's not a worldview that I ultimately think works.....and the simplistic claim that they are similar is only really made but those who seek to demonise rather than investigate.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 12.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the Left vs Right argument boils down to.......

who will be paying to raise these kids ?

the biological daddy, or the taxpayer, or other, or none of the above.

France is so far up its Lefty ar$e that even paternity DNA tests are illegal. 'cos it may cause some upset to peaceful family life'

Utter madness.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

While I don't want to appear to be cheer leading for PA as I'm not a member I certainly urge the genuine conservatives among us to read that manifesto and remember what actual social conservatism is.....as for the left, don't bother it isn't for you.

If someone like WE finds that sinister then you know that it's on the right track.

As for the suggestion that a manifesto isn't honest....coming from a guy who lionised and called Biden an honest politician I'll let others weigh how seriously they should regard judgements from that particular quarter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 6.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)