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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 21 Jul 20 10.59am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I don't see Roy going yet.
My crystal ball (which is very murky) thinks the following may happen:
1. Roy will go at the end of next season when a lot of player contracts also come to an end. That is when I think there will be a new broom, because many of those contracts won't be renewed.
2. We will probably be in the Championship the following season but with a much smaller wage bill and a very different squad.
3. That new squad will probably struggle to survive in that league.
4. At some point the Americans will sell out for far less than they paid.
5. August 2022 may see us in League 1 and the start of a new project of hope, based around our Cat 1 academy. Won't need a season ticket then because you'll be able to sit where you want.
6. SP's model of the new stand will be kept in mothballs until we once again rise from the ashes and hit the EPL (Or whatever will exist then).
Unfortunately, I and many of you will probably be long dead by then.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 21 Jul 20 11.05am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Unless we were able to poach an experienced PL manager then we will struggle with the squad we have if Roy left (and even then we probably would). For all his detractors Roy knows how to get points and win ugly and while he clearly has flaws (such as his seeming inability to change things during the game) I believe he would see us comfortably mid-table again next season. Our ageing, depleted and small squad is not designed for playing two games a week on a regular basis and it has cost us since the lockdown. I don't understand why he still refuses to start Meyer or why Riedewald isn't getting more game time, but when you think these are the only fully-fit senior options available that are not defenders you can see what a task Roy has.

I was listening to Peter Crouch saying how Pulis did zero work with the attacking players and just left them to it while focusing solely on the defensive side of the game. Sometimes it does feel like that is the case with us, but without a play maker we struggle when the 'stick it down the left channel' doesn't work. Maybe as well as some new players we could do with a new coach to work alongside Roy and Ray who could bring some new ideas to the attacking side of our game with the view to possibly succeeding Roy?

I don't think there are many people desperate to keep Roy, I just think there are many, like me, who recognise that he has been given very little support and has somehow made us comfortable with very limited resources. The one thing that gives me hope is how well he had us playing at times when we had RLC. If we could get another high-quality player or two like that again I think we might see a different Palace.

 

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Jacey Flag 21 Jul 20 11.07am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

We don't know what more we can do???
Time for a long deserved retirement Roy and bring in a new manager who ' does know what to do'!!

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 11.33am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

We don't know what more we can do???
Time for a long deserved retirement Roy and bring in a new manager who ' does know what to do'!!

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I agree seeing this is very frustrating. But what is telling with many of you who are screaming Roy out is you fail to provide any serious suggestions as to what then. Who do you seriously think we can attract and will do a better job with what we have? It's easy to shout it needs to change (I don't think many would disagree) but not so easy to come up with solutions.

Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 11.34am)

 

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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 21 Jul 20 11.52am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I agree seeing this is very frustrating. But what is telling with many of you who are screaming Roy out is you fail to provide any serious suggestions as to what then. Who do you seriously think we can attract and will do a better job with what we have? It's easy to shout it needs to change (I don't think many would disagree) but not so easy to come up with solutions.

Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 11.34am)

Its the owners responsibility to find the solutions. Thats not our job.

 

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PatrickA Flag London 21 Jul 20 11.55am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The argument would then go that Hodgson could never replaced if a suitable candidate didn’t seem to be available to replace him at the time.
This could mean keeping him regardless of performance and surely this cannot be right.
I’d be surprised if succession planning is not already in place as Hodgson only has a one year contract anyway.
It may be that suitable candidates identified are under contact currently and then it becomes a question of agreeing compensation.
I would expect there to be plenty of interest in managing a mid table London based Premier club.

 

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 11.55am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Its the owners responsibility to find the solutions. Thats not our job.

I agree. And if you look back in this thread you will see I have repeatedly stated that we are all getting into a debate about the symptoms (Roy, aging squad, tactics, player selection etc) and not the cause which is an ownership and financing that is stagnant and stuck in the doldrums.

Also if your argument is its not our job, which it isn't then its also not our job to pick the team, tactics and anything else, and let's face it we all do that! Can't have it both ways.

Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 11.58am)

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 11.58am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I agree. And if you look back in this thread you will see I have repeatedly stated that we are all getting into a debate about the symptoms (Roy, aging squad, tactics, player selection etc) and not the cause which is an ownership and financing that is stagnant and stuck in the doldrums.

Read some of my posts which say that too.

Unfortunately the anti Hodgson brigade only see one person to blame for everything.

 


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Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 21 Jul 20 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I agree seeing this is very frustrating. But what is telling with many of you who are screaming Roy out is you fail to provide any serious suggestions as to what then. Who do you seriously think we can attract and will do a better job with what we have? It's easy to shout it needs to change (I don't think many would disagree) but not so easy to come up with solutions.

Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 11.34am)

it's not the fans' job to come up with a solution - that's for the people that are paid handsomely at CPFC to identify and recruit the management and coaching team that will move the club forward. I think it's fair to say that we've burned through all the 'tried and tested' 'safe hands' Prem managers, so it is time to re-look at the ingredients of the chap to next take the reins. That work should have been being done over the last few years. Time will tell if that's the case.

 

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

it's not the fans' job to come up with a solution - that's for the people that are paid handsomely at CPFC to identify and recruit the management and coaching team that will move the club forward. I think it's fair to say that we've burned through all the 'tried and tested' 'safe hands' Prem managers, so it is time to re-look at the ingredients of the chap to next take the reins. That work should have been being done over the last few years. Time will tell if that's the case.

Again the 'its not the fans job' arguement. So why does anybody post anything on here? None of it is our job! But we all have views etc. It's not the fans job to have a manager sacked but many are calling for it. Again, can't have it both ways and if this is hitting the head of this it is illustrating just how hard it must be for the club to decide. Its a stick or twist situation with the risk of going bust.

 

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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 21 Jul 20 12.50pm Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

Again the 'its not the fans job' arguement. So why does anybody post anything on here? None of it is our job! But we all have views etc. It's not the fans job to have a manager sacked but many are calling for it. Again, can't have it both ways and if this is hitting the head of this it is illustrating just how hard it must be for the club to decide. Its a stick or twist situation with the risk of going bust.


I get where you are coming from however, as a fan I can comment and discuss on a fans message board about the performances of my club. Making decisions that affect the club and its direction of travel sits solely with the professionals enlisted within the club. You would hope that our recruitment team and or owners may have a little more insight than many of us.

For the record I would go with Dyche. A palace type I feel.

 

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cpj Flag Kent 21 Jul 20 12.53pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Unless we were able to poach an experienced PL manager then we will struggle with the squad we have if Roy left (and even then we probably would). For all his detractors Roy knows how to get points and win ugly and while he clearly has flaws (such as his seeming inability to change things during the game) I believe he would see us comfortably mid-table again next season. Our ageing, depleted and small squad is not designed for playing two games a week on a regular basis and it has cost us since the lockdown. I don't understand why he still refuses to start Meyer or why Riedewald isn't getting more game time, but when you think these are the only fully-fit senior options available that are not defenders you can see what a task Roy has.

I was listening to Peter Crouch saying how Pulis did zero work with the attacking players and just left them to it while focusing solely on the defensive side of the game. Sometimes it does feel like that is the case with us, but without a play maker we struggle when the 'stick it down the left channel' doesn't work. Maybe as well as some new players we could do with a new coach to work alongside Roy and Ray who could bring some new ideas to the attacking side of our game with the view to possibly succeeding Roy?

I don't think there are many people desperate to keep Roy, I just think there are many, like me, who recognise that he has been given very little support and has somehow made us comfortable with very limited resources. The one thing that gives me hope is how well he had us playing at times when we had RLC. If we could get another high-quality player or two like that again I think we might see a different Palace.

Not at the moment he doesn't!

 

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