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elgrande bedford 12 Apr 20 9.30pm | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play. Good post,but I did read somewhere that the abu Dhabi owners have given the exel centre rent free for the duration.
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Spiderman Horsham 12 Apr 20 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Good post,but I did read somewhere that the abu Dhabi owners have given the exel centre rent free for the duration. I believe that may be correct
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Spiderman Horsham 12 Apr 20 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Good post,but I did read somewhere that the abu Dhabi owners have given the exel centre rent free for the duration. I believe that may be correct
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 20 9.42pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Found the link below.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Apr 20 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Found the link below.
I would think that was the last rag to praise a 'capitalist' organisation.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play. 'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy.
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 1.04pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
'Sky are even more left wing than the BBC'????? .... thank you for cheering up my bank holiday Monday, a welcome comic boost, but Sky aren't as left wing as Fox News!?! And the NHS is full of left wing activism? in other words full of overworked underpaid staff who get justifiably pissed off. The tribal, knee jerk reactions on here are laughable - I think a certain way which makes me more sympathetic to Labour, but I don't think a certain way because I am Labour, it doesn't work in reverse guys, you don't have to slavishly put on and take off your rose tinted specs depending on which party people belong to, there is a mischaracterisation of Starmer's dealing with the situation here which is pure fantasy. Errrr....they had a news media piece that was sympathetic to Antifa. Sky News are nothing like the channel that started....When they were like Fox News that provided conservatives with a British TV news station....and now there isn't one. As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm)
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SavoyTruffle 13 Apr 20 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Starmer is political points scoring and yes he is in the main raising the PPE issue now for ‘future enquiry’ . This is where the political points scoring comes into play. *Citation needed Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room... The ‘unity’ thing wasn’t raised by me initially, and I agree it is a smokescreen, one that is used as a way of saying ‘don’t criticise us at the moment, the country needs to be together’ You can’t raise these things without being political unfortunately, people dying, people losing jobs, the economy tanking, these are all political. It’s literally the leader of the opposition’s job to do this. Over the course of the next few years (or however long he lasts) I will undoubtedly have serious complaints about Starmer, just as a did with Corbyn, May, Milliband, Cameron, Brown and Blair. The current infallible treatment Johnson’s government receives from sections of the press and some posters on here is somewhat astounding. Your post offers criticism of the media, the opposition, PPE manufactures / sellers price gauging, but no critical view at all at what the governments role in this might be. I’m not suggesting anyone should be a cheerleader for the Labour Party, but evaluate what is going on in the world with some form of objective view and our governments role so far, why is it we are receiving donations of PPE and ventilators from Turkey and Germany respectively, why are these nations in a position to do so while we are scratching around for everything we can get? I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge. Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all!
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle
*Citation needed Naturally assume that if a Labour government were in this position and the U.K. were on route to potentially have the most deaths in Europe you would afford them this kind of generous wiggle room... The ‘unity’ thing wasn’t raised by me initially, and I agree it is a smokescreen, one that is used as a way of saying ‘don’t criticise us at the moment, the country needs to be together’ You can’t raise these things without being political unfortunately, people dying, people losing jobs, the economy tanking, these are all political. It’s literally the leader of the opposition’s job to do this. Over the course of the next few years (or however long he lasts) I will undoubtedly have serious complaints about Starmer, just as a did with Corbyn, May, Milliband, Cameron, Brown and Blair. The current infallible treatment Johnson’s government receives from sections of the press and some posters on here is somewhat astounding. Your post offers criticism of the media, the opposition, PPE manufactures / sellers price gauging, but no critical view at all at what the governments role in this might be. I’m not suggesting anyone should be a cheerleader for the Labour Party, but evaluate what is going on in the world with some form of objective view and our governments role so far, why is it we are receiving donations of PPE and ventilators from Turkey and Germany respectively, why are these nations in a position to do so while we are scratching around for everything we can get? I appreciate this is a thread on Starmer and I have gone off track into a more general Corona post but it’s Easter Monday so allow me to indulge. Hope all are safe out there, that is the most important of all!
However, just I differ with the government's approach to this crises I differ with Starmer's. I'm fully aware that when the economic pain arrives that Starmer will use that to attack the government, when in reality, his party would have probably spent even more....and no doubt when people go back to work he'll be attacking saying they should remain off. It's a mixed bag....Labour are under no obligation to support the government. That said, politics doesn't have to be as dirty as it is.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 2.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errrr....they had a news media piece that was sympathetic to Antifa. Sky News are nothing like the channel that started....When they were like Fox News that provided conservatives with a British TV news station....and now there isn't one. As for people needing to take off their 'rose tinted specs' Ex.....perhaps it's yourself you needs to buy themselves some glasses to see these things for what they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 1.05pm) I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 20 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
I always make sure to put my rosy specs on b4 I read your posts Stirling - the alternative would be too painful Tis cool. It would be a weird day for an egalitarian to enjoy the views of a nationalist. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2020 2.39pm)
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ex hibitionist Hastings 13 Apr 20 3.03pm | |
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I'm not really an egalitarian as such, I've just been shaped by experience having seen so much lions led by donkeys in the work place (I voted for Thatcher in 83 and 87 b4 I grew up) - pay the people who work hard and care properly, and don't spunk money on bureaucrats and stuffed-shirt undead careerist manager clones, and don't set up systems where you have unaccountable leaders - bcos they'll over pay themselves, get their mates in and over pay them, and under pay staff and under invest in resources and only employ people who are either compliant enough or stupid enough to not point out why it's not working. I do believe we have a work culture which weirdly celebrates toadying and bullying more than it does talent and intelligence, make a country to be proud aof nd you'll start seeing some real patriotism, the care and fellowship doing the rounds atm is grounds for hope.
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