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dannyboy1978 Flag 01 Nov 19 1.37pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Chuck in severely taking their eye off the ball which lead to the biggest finance crisis this country had seen in a generation and will be a burden for generations to come to pay for. Blair and Brown really couldn't have done much worse.

No more boom and bust lol

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 01 Nov 19 1.41pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

No more boom and bust lol

I'm not a massive supporter of Labour, or any political party, frankly. I vote because I should, not because I am in rapture to their false claims and attempts at equivalence. But if this narrative means you think anyone other than Labour could have foreseen, or dodged, the great recession, you're an idiot. But then we already...

Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2019 1.51pm)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 01 Nov 19 1.49pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

If Farage follows through with his threat to stand a Brexit MP in every seat he could hilariously defeat both Remain and Leave. Scenes.

 

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W12 01 Nov 19 1.51pm

Originally posted by Jway89

I see Farage wants a pact but, cleverly, tells Johnson to scrap his deal, because, he would lose credibility if he said anything else.
Honestly, I think we are in the last days of Rome, whether Brexit gets done or not. I just don't see how Brexit really solves any problems, for example, as a standalone principal of being in control, I agree with, but we're not in the 17 or 1800s. The new emperors are China and USA, so to say we will have control is a little misleading, because it could get to a situation where we won't do deals with anyone because they potentially can influence our laws and regulations as well as our economy if we do not adhere to their wims.

Don't get me wrong, The Eurozone, financially is a mess, but I'm not seeing any other option being better.

We are in polarising times and it's either capitalism or communism, apparently, which is exactly how the media and politicians like it. My advice is save your money, because times are gonna get harder.

If you see China and the US as interchangable and equivalent then that may make some sense. Why do you think Hong King protestors were waving the American flag? The problem we have is that the ideals of the West that created both the richest, most free and most culturally rich heretige have been undermined by liberalism (which is ironically a by-product of that success). It's at the heart of Brexit, Trump and the culture wars currently raging across all across the western nations.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Nov 19 2.04pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

 

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Originally posted by sickboy

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

Is this even possible due to a) law, b) parliamentary procedure, c) the EU?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

He has hung his colours to the mast apropos the deal and he just wants to "Get Brexit done" so no chance of that scenario coming to pass.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Nov 19 2.29pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Is this even possible due to a) law, b) parliamentary procedure, c) the EU?

Of course it is. Acts of parliament get repealed.

 

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Deleted11 01 Nov 19 2.31pm

Originally posted by W12

If you see China and the US as interchangable and equivalent then that may make some sense. Why do you think Hong Kong protestors were waving the American flag? The problem we have is that the ideals of the West that created both the richest, most free and most culturally rich heretige have been undermined by liberalism (which is ironically a by-product of that success). It's at the heart of Brexit, Trump and the culture wars currently raging across all across the western nations.

So, are you making an argument for authoritarianism? I know you're not.
Call it liberalism or whatever you want, I think it's human nature that when you get to have the wealth most western countries have that your views lean more to having things like a social safety net (ie NHS, Free childcare, etc). Do 'common' people take advantage of it? Yes, but I haven't seen a recession where the welfare spend destroyed the economy yet. What I have seen is regulations being cut on the financial sector that have caused immense recessions and surprisingly no one goes jail, funny that.

I wouldn't describe myself as left or right really, I just want things to be discussed in a proper way, analysed and then implemented with strict monitoring of the effects of any policy as well as the environmental factors that policy was implemented in. The best example is austerity. Do we 'the people' need to live within our means? I'd say to a certain extent yes, but the people are not a country that can print its own money. If I'm saving £100 a month while I'm earning £20k a year, I'm not going to start saving £400 a month, because I'll be miserable, what I may do though is look for a better paid job and potentially educate myself a bit more to have a better chance of that. Our Government can print it's way out of trouble, to certain extent.

I've gone a bit too long here, but my point is that I see the benefits in autocratic countries as well as in (and I use this word very lightly) democracies.


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Labour started mass immigration and "multiculturalism" which is now destablalising the entire country.

Labour paid for this by putting us into huge amounts of national debt.

Labour helped start a war in the middle east that spread islamic extremism across the globe.

Of course you could just replace Labour with Blair but he was aided and abbetted by numerous other Fabians.

It's no accident that they use the symbol of a wolf in sheeps clothing.


Edited by W12 (01 Nov 2019 10.16am)

Yep, few do hypocrisy like the Labour party.

The Tories are also hypocrites of course but it's Labour who pretend to hold a kind of moral high ground over them.

Plenty were slagging him off for years in Labour but I remember Blair receiving standing ovations at his last party conference speech and at his last commons speech as PM.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2019 2.49pm)

 


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W12 01 Nov 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by Jway89

So, are you making an argument for authoritarianism? I know you're not.
Call it liberalism or whatever you want, I think it's human nature that when you get to have the wealth most western countries have that your views lean more to having things like a social safety net (ie NHS, Free childcare, etc). Do 'common' people take advantage of it? Yes, but I haven't seen a recession where the welfare spend destroyed the economy yet. What I have seen is regulations being cut on the financial sector that have caused immense recessions and surprisingly no one goes jail, funny that.

I wouldn't describe myself as left or right really, I just want things to be discussed in a proper way, analysed and then implemented with strict monitoring of the effects of any policy as well as the environmental factors that policy was implemented in. The best example is austerity. Do we 'the people' need to live within our means? I'd say to a certain extent yes, but the people are not a country that can print its own money. If I'm saving £100 a month while I'm earning £20k a year, I'm not going to start saving £400 a month, because I'll be miserable, what I may do though is look for a better paid job and potentially educate myself a bit more to have a better chance of that. Our Government can print it's way out of trouble, to certain extent.

I've gone a bit too long here, but my point is that I see the benefits in autocratic countries as well as in (and I use this word very lightly) democracies.


Liberalism as currently defined in the west is the very opposite of freedom

 

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Deleted11 01 Nov 19 2.54pm

Ok, but what does freedom mean then?
Is this individual freedom, corporate freedom?

I'm not sure what point you're making here, sorry.

 

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