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7@burnley79 Battersea 28 Jul 19 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by davehuggins
Listening to the RH interview after the Bristol game it sounds to me he is getting very frustrated as we all are with the incoming player situation. IMO SP is putting Palace in a very difficult position to start the season, lack of defenders fit or signed etc. I personally think we are very lucky to have RH in charge as I am fairly sure other managers would have walked due to lack of transfer incoming activity. If we have a bad start to the season I know who in my book will be to blame. Seems to be a lack of support for a very good manager, just my thoughts. As a reporter my next question would of been to RH.
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Eaglecoops CR3 28 Jul 19 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I suspect not many on HOL had even heard of Amaechi. I also suspect that had we signed him there would be criticism that we spent a couple of million on some unknown Arsenal player who had never made a first team appearance and development wise was probably behind 2 or 3 other young wingers at the club. Edited by Willo (28 Jul 2019 12.32pm) All well and good Willo but if he does turn into the next Jadon Sancho, do we just say, oh well never mind, we had a chance to invite him to the club when we were negotiating with Arsenal. Our track record is appalling. We turned down Van Dijk from Celtic because our scouts said he was too slow for the prem - there is about £70m down the pan in one failed scouting mission. The reason I mentioned Amaechi is because we are obviously in a dialogue with Arsenal, the kid is highly touted as being the next big thing and he plays as a winger which, if Wilf goes, is the one area we are looking for talent. Why not offer him a chance to come to the PL. Look, I do realise that if he doesn't work out then you could say its a waste of money, however there are an awful lot of decent clubs and scouts that were interested in him. Who's to say he is not already as good as Allen St. Maximin? Just because a player is £25m that is not a guarantee as to his ability, it just means that we think he should be good because he is relatively expensive? At the end of the day, as Big Toe Punt says, we may have considered him and ruled him out, but I would rather see us take a punt on youth and actually play them rather than buying has beens that have no sell on value after they have finished their career with us. Not having a go at you Willo, just venting my spleen as I am a little sick and tired of our transfer policy.
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TheBigToePunt 28 Jul 19 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Quite simply because we miss out on every opportunity, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that we fail miserably at buying young talent..... well on second thoughts with some posters on here it does. Apart from this time last year when we signed one of the more highly rated young talents in the whole of Europe. Or the year before, when we borrowed one of the best English u21 players around for a year in which we did more for his career than Chelsea had in the preceding three. We might have been in for this kid Amaechi at Arsenal, or we might not - the point I was trying to make is that a transfer requires more than just palace trying; it needs the player to want to come to us more than to any of the other clubs who want him, and that decision is to do with a wide range of factors. Not every transfer that didn't involve palace can be viewed as an opportunity we missed.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jul 19 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
All well and good Willo but if he does turn into the next Jadon Sancho, do we just say, oh well never mind, we had a chance to invite him to the club when we were negotiating with Arsenal. Our track record is appalling. We turned down Van Dijk from Celtic because our scouts said he was too slow for the prem - there is about £70m down the pan in one failed scouting mission. The reason I mentioned Amaechi is because we are obviously in a dialogue with Arsenal, the kid is highly touted as being the next big thing and he plays as a winger which, if Wilf goes, is the one area we are looking for talent. Why not offer him a chance to come to the PL. Look, I do realise that if he doesn't work out then you could say its a waste of money, however there are an awful lot of decent clubs and scouts that were interested in him. Who's to say he is not already as good as Allen St. Maximin? Just because a player is £25m that is not a guarantee as to his ability, it just means that we think he should be good because he is relatively expensive? At the end of the day, as Big Toe Punt says, we may have considered him and ruled him out, but I would rather see us take a punt on youth and actually play them rather than buying has beens that have no sell on value after they have finished their career with us. Not having a go at you Willo, just venting my spleen as I am a little sick and tired of our transfer policy. No problem at all.You are quite entitled to berate me if you fervently disgaree with my viewpoint.HOL would be exceedingly bland if it was just one gargantuan 'Love-in' ! In terms of my post, I wasn't defending our transfer policy.All I was advocating was that there could well have been a negative reaction from our supporters had we paid over £2 Mill for an unknown youngster who was behind other young wingers,development wise,at Arsenal.
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Eaglecoops CR3 28 Jul 19 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Apart from this time last year when we signed one of the more highly rated young talents in the whole of Europe. Or the year before, when we borrowed one of the best English u21 players around for a year in which we did more for his career than Chelsea had in the preceding three. We might have been in for this kid Amaechi at Arsenal, or we might not - the point I was trying to make is that a transfer requires more than just palace trying; it needs the player to want to come to us more than to any of the other clubs who want him, and that decision is to do with a wide range of factors. Not every transfer that didn't involve palace can be viewed as an opportunity we missed. Fair enough, but as much as I was missing your point, you were missing mine in that we always seem to go for players with established reputations rather than identifying those youngsters that are just coming through. Meyer was already an established name as was RLC, just that they were not progressing as quickly as they would have liked. We paid heavily (salary wise) for Meyer and I have no idea about RLC but can't imagine he was cheap. Yes, we did a fantastic job with RLC, but not for our longer term benefit benefit as we have just upped his value for Chelsea. Meyer looks like he is starting to produce some form and I really hope he becomes the player we expected he would be. Him and Bolasie are probably the only two players I can think of that we have bought and sold/could be sold at a substantial profit. Compare that to Southampton!
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jul 19 1.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Fair enough, but as much as I was missing your point, you were missing mine in that we always seem to go for players with established reputations rather than identifying those youngsters that are just coming through. Meyer was already an established name as was RLC, just that they were not progressing as quickly as they would have liked. We paid heavily (salary wise) for Meyer and I have no idea about RLC but can't imagine he was cheap. Yes, we did a fantastic job with RLC, but not for our longer term benefit benefit as we have just upped his value for Chelsea. Meyer looks like he is starting to produce some form and I really hope he becomes the player we expected he would be. Him and Bolasie are probably the only two players I can think of that we have bought and sold/could be sold at a substantial profit. Compare that to Southampton! Southampton finished 16th last season and 17th the season before.
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Eaglecoops CR3 28 Jul 19 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Southampton finished 16th last season and 17th the season before. Somewhat forced by the Directors me thinks in their case but they do have a tremendous record of buying cheap and selling high. Whether they deal with the downside of that policy adequately is their problem.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jul 19 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Somewhat forced by the Directors me thinks in their case but they do have a tremendous record of buying cheap and selling high. Whether they deal with the downside of that policy adequately is their problem. It is their academy that has proved it's worth when one thinks of Bale,Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana,Shaw,Walcott,Chambers etc. Edited by Willo (28 Jul 2019 2.23pm)
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 28 Jul 19 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Do people believe Hodgson is in the dark as much as he claims with regard to transfers? I certainly do not believe that RH is in the dark as much as he makes out. Unknown to us he has probably been offered players by SP and DF but has refused them as he plays who HE wants to play end of story. IF he had a large squad to choose from each week he would still pick the same old team he likes and not who is best and would STILL not make any substitutions as we all know. He tends to waffle on to the press how hard done by he is and makes some really silly statements too. I have a feeling that SP and DF do not tell RH everything because of his loose tongue. In my opinion I think it is time for RH to retire and put his feet up. He has lost the plot as many of us know already know. He is looking old...very old and just scrapes a result when we are desperately needing one. In my opinion why should SP spend millions on players when RH will not play them but sticks to his own old tired formation. You only have to look at our home games last season.........what a load of tosh. Someone said they could see Dougie taking over and to be honest I think we would see an entirely different football played by our team AND winning at home. I really glad RH only got a years contract but hope it is not our downfall to lower things!
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Jul 19 3.25pm | |
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Originally posted by susmik
I certainly do not believe that RH is in the dark as much as he makes out. Unknown to us he has probably been offered players by SP and DF but has refused them as he plays who HE wants to play end of story. IF he had a large squad to choose from each week he would still pick the same old team he likes and not who is best and would STILL not make any substitutions as we all know. He tends to waffle on to the press how hard done by he is and makes some really silly statements too. I have a feeling that SP and DF do not tell RH everything because of his loose tongue. In my opinion I think it is time for RH to retire and put his feet up. He has lost the plot as many of us know already know. He is looking old...very old and just scrapes a result when we are desperately needing one. In my opinion why should SP spend millions on players when RH will not play them but sticks to his own old tired formation. You only have to look at our home games last season.........what a load of tosh. Someone said they could see Dougie taking over and to be honest I think we would see an entirely different football played by our team AND winning at home. I really glad RH only got a years contract but hope it is not our downfall to lower things! Well you are totally second guessing the process and then making your own assumptions based upon that. Lost the plot ? Mid table and record points won. Beat Man City and Arsenal away. I think it's you that's lost the plot. Dougie doesn't want to go back into football management if I am to believe what he told me when I asked him. The facts are this ; neither you or I know how decisions are made regarding player recruitment. To date we have not strengthened the squad sufficiently in most peoples opinion and that view seems to be shared by the manager.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 28 Jul 19 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Well you are totally second guessing the process and then making your own assumptions based upon that. Lost the plot ? Mid table and record points won. Beat Man City and Arsenal away. I think it's you that's lost the plot. Dougie doesn't want to go back into football management if I am to believe what he told me when I asked him. If I was We are all entitled to our opinions including me. You obviously rate RH bravo. I think he has lost the plot and should retire no doubt about it. I used Dougie as an example only because his name was mentioned in this thread already and for that reason only. So calm down and take a chill pill what I put was my opinion and I stick by it. Be a terrible world if we all agreed on everything would it not?
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TheBigToePunt 28 Jul 19 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Fair enough, but as much as I was missing your point, you were missing mine in that we always seem to go for players with established reputations rather than identifying those youngsters that are just coming through. Meyer was already an established name as was RLC, just that they were not progressing as quickly as they would have liked. We paid heavily (salary wise) for Meyer and I have no idea about RLC but can't imagine he was cheap. Yes, we did a fantastic job with RLC, but not for our longer term benefit benefit as we have just upped his value for Chelsea. Meyer looks like he is starting to produce some form and I really hope he becomes the player we expected he would be. Him and Bolasie are probably the only two players I can think of that we have bought and sold/could be sold at a substantial profit. Compare that to Southampton! I don't think having a stream of good younger players is inherently better than having a settled core of experienced players. Southampton fans sit there watching an average premier league team, just like us. I'm not sure it means much to them that some of their players will achieve great things for Liverpool later on.
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