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martin2412 Living The Dream 01 Jun 20 7.56pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's about equality. No separation. No one paying more than anyone else because of skin colour. No different rules because of skin colour. Everyone treated the same by society. There is no crime in being white and being proud of where you are from and who you are. But no one should ever take for granted how much of a leg up it is. Not if you want a job at the BBC it ain't, and if you're straight and male you've got no chance.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Jun 20 8.09pm | |
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Dont see many complaints about the racism against whites in africa. Positive discrimination over jobs and housing. If you are white you are bottom of every list. I suppose some would see it as levelling the playing field of bollox.
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Matov 01 Jun 20 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I mean, I'm not a member of BLM so I guess they're better placed to answer that. I found this on their website: [Link] but it's pretty general. You would imagine it would involve: more rigorous discipline for police found guilty of unfairly targeting black people. End the nonsensical prison industrial complex in the US. Invest in the historically deprived areas where black people disproportionately live. Outlaw the Klan? I think there's little that's too unreasonable in that. Edited by serial thriller (01 Jun 2020 6.51pm) All that link says is 'defund the police'. Does that mean they want no police in black areas? More investment, that I get but outlawing the Klan? How big is the KKK these days? Is that much of a problem?
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serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 8.32pm | |
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Originally posted by martin2412
Not if you want a job at the BBC it ain't, and if you're straight and male you've got no chance. every single director general of the BBC has been straight and white. The current incumbent is Lord Hall, Baron of Birkenhead. Probably just a coincidence.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 8.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
All that link says is 'defund the police'. Does that mean they want no police in black areas? More investment, that I get but outlawing the Klan? How big is the KKK these days? Is that much of a problem? As I say I'm no member so don't feel I'm the person who should be outlining this. My more general point though is that diplomacy and attempts at peaceful resolution are being overridden by a knee-jerk tendency to assert the violent authority of the state. I would argue that this seems to be a theme of what you could call the populist right, be it Trumps dealings with China, or the Brexit negotiations. My question is, in the long run, is this the best path to achieve the goals you are aiming for? Is Trump making America great again by turning the army on his own citizens? Wouldn't it be better to offer them jobs and a future?
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
As I say I'm no member so don't feel I'm the person who should be outlining this. My more general point though is that diplomacy and attempts at peaceful resolution are being overridden by a knee-jerk tendency to assert the violent authority of the state. I would argue that this seems to be a theme of what you could call the populist right, be it Trumps dealings with China, or the Brexit negotiations. My question is, in the long run, is this the best path to achieve the goals you are aiming for? Is Trump making America great again by turning the army on his own citizens? Wouldn't it be better to offer them jobs and a future?
People are using recent events to riot, savagely attacking innocent people, destroying homes and property and looting, and all you do is blame Trump and say that instead of trying to stop this by bringing in the army he should in fact miraculously overnight create jobs for these people and promise them a better future and somehow they will suddenly stop. Half these looters will already have jobs! I honestly wonder what planet some of the idiots on here live on! Edited by Tom-the-eagle (01 Jun 2020 8.52pm)
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matthau South Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This guy gets it. Manipulation of the masses. Me too. #WWG1WGA
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matthau South Croydon 01 Jun 20 8.55pm | |
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Matov 01 Jun 20 9.01pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Now I accept that Covid will impact on that, as it will for all sectors, but under Trump there appear to be record lows of unemployment for African-Americans. What more can he do?
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Spiderman Horsham 01 Jun 20 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's about equality. No separation. No one paying more than anyone else because of skin colour. No different rules because of skin colour. Everyone treated the same by society. There is no crime in being white and being proud of where you are from and who you are. But no one should ever take for granted how much of a leg up it is. So how much of a leg up did I get for being white? Born and bred in Thornton Heath, both parents died when I was quite young, had to leave school at 16 to find a job to, basically live! Oh sorry I am white so must have had an advantage in life... absolute b****ks you are spouting
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serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Jun 20 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Now I accept that Covid will impact on that, as it will for all sectors, but under Trump there appear to be record lows of unemployment for African-Americans. What more can he do? Yeah fair point. I guess my argument has to be a bit broader. Most of us have lived through an era of uninterrupted growth in inequality, where social provisions and median income has consistently been dropping, and an ever tinier minority have been accumulating more and more wealth with very little pushback. Now this is true in every country, but in America it is magnified. And it obviously impacts disproportionately the groups already struggling to keep up financially, which in America is heavily racialised. America has blended an economic ideology of low tax, unlimited freedom to accumulate wealth and a stripped back state with an uneasy nationalist ideology that has always had race as an inherent contradiction at its heart. First, the nation was built on the wealth accumulated from slavery. Second, freed slaves paid reparations to slave owners, preserving the latter's wealth, and retaining a two tier justice system through segregation. Now the remnants of that system are more subtly in place: a prison industrial complex, where for committing 3 minor crimes you are effectively imprisoned for life and made to work for nothing for corporations. Where the land remains in the hands of those who originally accumulated it through racial exploitation, and continue to make wealth through prohibitive rents on communities with high African American populations. And most commonly overlooked, there remains a dynastic and very solid segment within the Republican party of families with links to white nationalist organisations. Now in this context, Trump is merely a continuation of the trend. I find it bizarre when you see videos like the one posted above as if his premiership marks the turning point of corruption, criminality and wealth controlling politics. But he also just so happens to be the President in charge when the tinderbox of mass unemployment has been lit. The question now is, what does he do? At the minute, he is reaching for violence, but what is needed, what has always been needed, is a radical reformulation of the things I've outlined, because they are the reason people talk about structural racism in the US.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 01 Jun 20 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
every single director general of the BBC has been straight and white. The current incumbent is Lord Hall, Baron of Birkenhead. Probably just a coincidence. Yeah, but besides them?...............
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