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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 8.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I identify with a White character because I'm white.
Did you object to when the Craig-Bond movies took a white character - Felix Leiter - that had been written as white and always played by a white man - and turned him black? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 8.10pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 8.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
If you want Shaft to be white because you think that such a depiction would be an interesting exploration of race in our culture, then that's not racist. If you want Shaft to be white because you're white, that's racist. Are you for real?
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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 8.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Are you for real?
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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 8.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
You could remake, for example, "The Color Purple" but set it in ISIS-controlled Syria and still maintain the core story of violence towards and suppression of a young girl. You can remake anything into anything - more often than not to a lesser end. So, if you portray Bond as a modern figure in the modern era - as the current Bond is - the character can played by anyone as long as you stay true to what makes the character work, not the superficial look. Yeah, I'd say that is all valid. Art, for art's sake, doesn't have to hold true to boundaries.....I suppose if I see something as tokenism or as just being done to push ideologies it pisses me off a bit....But art as a pure art form of expression shouldn't be told what it can and can't do....Yeah I'd agree with that. Still, it's also perfectly valid to criticise it from pretty much most perspectives as I suppose that is the core of what art is....viewponts and perspectives. I like the fantasy of Bond as this British strong representative of anglo saxonism....But I know that it is what it is....just a fiction designed to entertain a demographic and pass leisure time for them....It won't be to everyone's tastes and I don't think any art form can be...Or really should try in a perfect world....Though we know that commercial art forms are obviously under massive pressures to make their investments back. The skin colour is more an aesthetic.....more important to some more than others but I'm fine with however people feel about it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 8.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Did you object to when the Craig-Bond movies took a white character - Felix Leiter - that had been written as white and always played by a white man - and turned him black? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 8.10pm)
Me thinks you might not live in the real world.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 8.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
That's a statement of preference; is it racist? It's actually a good philosophical question. If you took that statement as actually that then yes, I'd say it's racist to an extent....But isn't that your summary? Personally I didn't take that as what he was saying. Wasn't he saying that he felt that Bond being white represented him more....I don't see how that's different to what a lot of black people call for. Personally I don't see that as being 'racist' from either of them. I think we all know racism when we see it. It's in how you treat people.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 8.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
It ain't where you live, it is where your mind is at.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 8.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Did you object to when the Craig-Bond movies took a white character - Felix Leiter - that had been written as white and always played by a white man - and turned him black? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 8.10pm) Isn't it more about representing him....So being white and British/English is more important than just being white. Being white and German isn't the same. I suppose it's all about degrees of separation from the fiction or reality.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 8.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
That's a statement of preference; is it racist? So when Black people call for more roles for Black actors or more Black role models on TV, that is racist is it? By your reckoning, it must be or else they would be happy to see only White faces.
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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, I'd say that is all valid. Art, for art's sake, doesn't have to hold true to boundaries.....I suppose if I see something as tokenism or as just being done to push ideologies it pisses me off a bit....But art as a pure art form of expression shouldn't be told what it can and can't do....Yeah I'd agree with that. Still, it's also perfectly valid to criticise it from pretty much most perspectives as I suppose that is the core of what art is....viewponts and perspectives. I like the fantasy of Bond as this British strong representative of anglo saxonism....But I know that it is what it is....just a fiction designed to entertain a demographic and pass leisure time for them....It won't be to everyone's tastes and I don't think any art form can be...Or really should try in a perfect world....Though we know that commercial art forms are obviously under massive pressures to make their investments back. The skin colour is more an aesthetic.....more important to some more than others but I'm fine with however people feel about it.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
If you want Shaft to be white because you think that such a depiction would be an interesting exploration of race in our culture, then that's not racist. If you want Shaft to be white because you're white, that's racist. No, that was a typo....Shaft being 'white'"...what the feck am I thinking. I've corrected it. A white 'shaft' would make a good comedy possibility....reversing a lot of these things has that context.....Also playing it straight for the demographics who want their stuff is fine too. If I think there's an agenda behind it I have my moan...I've been moaning about the writers and producers of Dr Who pretty much since they brought it back. Still, everything has its place.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 8.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Now that was a wonderful human being.
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