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 Part Time James  20 Apr 17 9.44am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Why is left so enamoured with gay rights? Surely people of all sexual persuasions bein allowed to own their homes is a greater social and economic revolution? Don't worry, it'll be illegal again under Sharia law. Actually, that's a bit flippant. It'll just be frowned upon.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Apr 17 9.53am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Norway and Switzerland aren't part of the EU. Many leave campaigners cited those two countries as potential models. Many leave campaigners said they didn't want that kind of deal. Leaving the EU doesn't imply any one single set of circumstances post leaving. There are myriad possibilities, not one of which was ever set out as being the route we would take as the government didn't bother considering what would happen in the event of Brexit. You can leave the EU but still have access to the single market. You can leave and not have access. Neither option was specified on the ballot paper. Of course we should leave the single market. If we don't we would be subject to all the nonsense that made people vote to Leave in the first place - uncontrollable immigration (aka 'free movement of people), inability to trade with the result of the world, subject to ever increasing EU red tape regulations, not to mention being party to the crippling tariffs that are ruining African farmers.
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| Rubin 20 Apr 17 10.07am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Quote from Boris: "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market." Ok, he seems to not be consistent then: Interesting that Pro-remain politicians, in this case, George Osborne, also said that a vote to leave would mean leaving the single market.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 10.08am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Why is left so enamoured with gay rights? Surely people of all sexual persuasions bein allowed to own their homes is a greater social and economic revolution? When was owning a house illegal? That was just an example of a government making someones life demonstrably better, but I completely disagree that owning property is a greater right than who you chose to spend your life with or have sex with.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 10.11am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Of course we should leave the single market. If we don't we would be subject to all the nonsense that made people vote to Leave in the first place - uncontrollable immigration (aka 'free movement of people), inability to trade with the result of the world, subject to ever increasing EU red tape regulations, not to mention being party to the crippling tariffs that are ruining African farmers. If you think immigration numbers will change significantly if/when we leave the single market then you are much mistaken. I imagine a lot of people will end up feeling betrayed on this point.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Apr 17 10.15am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
If you think immigration numbers will change significantly if/when we leave the single market then you are much mistaken. I imagine a lot of people will end up feeling betrayed on this point. It's not really the point. It's who decides the immigration numbers - Westminster or Brussels. If the general public feel it's too high, then they can vote out a government. With the EU, nothing can be done with free movement. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Apr 2017 10.16am)
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| matt_himself Matataland 20 Apr 17 10.16am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
When was owning a house illegal? That was just an example of a government making someones life demonstrably better, but I completely disagree that owning property is a greater right than who you chose to spend your life with or have sex with. Allowing people to own their own council houses was one of biggest social and economic changes of the past 50 years. Changing a law which allows, statistically around 5% of the population to live as they wish, whilst the right thing to do, does not compare to the changes home ownership brought to millions. It just highlights to me how the left are so tied up in minority pursuits rather than wanting the better the lives of the majority.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Apr 17 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It's not really the point. It's who decides the immigration numbers - Westminster or Brussels. If the general public feel it's too high, then they can vote out a government. With the EU, nothing can be done with free movement. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Apr 2017 10.16am) Exactly - was just about to post something similar.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 17 10.19am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I imagine in 1967 Labour's decision to decriminalise homosexuality made gay peoples' lives better. And again in 2004 the civil partnerships act would have made their lives better. I hardly think either party could be credited with a commendable attitude toward homosexuality and the church even less back then. Many prosecutions still took place after 1967 for various offenses.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 10.21am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It's not really the point. It's who decides the immigration numbers - Westminster or Brussels. If the general public feel it's too high, then they can vote out a government. With the EU, nothing can be done with free movement. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Apr 2017 10.16am) Given the numbers won't change losing single market access and our own rights as EU citizens seems like quite a high price to pay for allowing MPs in Westminster to "have control".
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I hardly think either party could be credited with a commendable attitude toward homosexuality and the church even less back then. Many prosecutions still took place after 1967 for various offenses.
Again the question was about a government making someone's life better. Not a pro-Labour point necessarily, it just happened those were Labour governments. The coalition brought in same sex marriage so add that to the list.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Apr 17 10.23am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
When was owning a house illegal? That was just an example of a government making someones life demonstrably better, but I completely disagree that owning property is a greater right than who you chose to spend your life with or have sex with./quote] There have never been any restriction on who you spend your life with and laws against homosexual sex were changed in 1967. There are still some restrictions on those you can have sex with - children and animals for example, despite the efforts of the likes of the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1970s (supported by the left wing National Council for Civil Liberties at the time). Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Apr 2017 10.23am)
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