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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 04 Mar 18 1.28pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So lets, get this right, an aspiration to produce one decent player a season from an academy is now akin to a word normally associated with mental illness? Your posting is getting nastier by the minute Rudi and as for your last sentence try reading it again it makes absolutely no sense at all. I suppose it depends on definition of decent. If you mean PL ready, then yes it is pretty delusional as no one manages that. If you mean players that can go on and have a half decent football career, then we don't do a bad job. while delusional can be used ref mental illness it is far from exclusively used in that context the dignified don't even enter in the game*
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In The Crowd 04 Mar 18 1.28pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So lets, get this right, an aspiration to produce one decent player a season from an academy is now akin to a word normally associated with mental illness? Your posting is getting nastier by the minute Rudi and as for your last sentence try reading it again it makes absolutely no sense at all.

I suppose it depends on definition of decent. If you mean PL ready, then yes it is pretty delusional as no one manages that. If you mean players that can go on and have a half decent football career, then we don't do a bad job.

*while delusional can be used ref mental illness it is far from exclusively used in that context

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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The Dolphin 04 Mar 18 2.11pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Of course it isn't as we had largely recovered from the Pardew effect by the end of last season. His biggest mistakes are more to do with who he replaced Sam with and the relative lack of activity in the transfer markets I disagree. Had he not been given another season (or half of one as it turned out) we might have had more stability - might only I agree. Instead we had Sam to the rescue - who left and then FDB - and we will never know if he might have succeeded albeit there were obviously issues behind the scenes. We don't seem to be able to appoint the right Manager and yet when we so obviously had the wrong one we kept him. Remember the players Pardew bought (dreadful) and got rid of as well and in that respect we have yet to recover. So - sorry - I think it was a massive error.
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04 Mar 18 2.11pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Of course it isn't as we had largely recovered from the Pardew effect by the end of last season. His biggest mistakes are more to do with who he replaced Sam with and the relative lack of activity in the transfer markets

I disagree.
Had he not been given another season (or half of one as it turned out) we might have had more stability - might only I agree.
Instead we had Sam to the rescue - who left and then FDB - and we will never know if he might have succeeded albeit there were obviously issues behind the scenes.
We don't seem to be able to appoint the right Manager and yet when we so obviously had the wrong one we kept him.
Remember the players Pardew bought (dreadful) and got rid of as well and in that respect we have yet to recover.
So - sorry - I think it was a massive error.

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Username Horsham 04 Mar 18 2.18pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So lets, get this right, an aspiration to produce one decent player a season from an academy is now akin to a word normally associated with mental illness? Your posting is getting nastier by the minute Rudi and as for your last sentence try reading it again it makes absolutely no sense at all. How many Premier League clubs do this? Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So lets, get this right, an aspiration to produce one decent player a season from an academy is now akin to a word normally associated with mental illness? Your posting is getting nastier by the minute Rudi and as for your last sentence try reading it again it makes absolutely no sense at all.

How many Premier League clubs do this?

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Username Horsham 04 Mar 18 2.33pm
Originally posted by crystal-purley Read SJ's book. Mr Alexander possibly had a say in that particular Admin. Even the total failure that was Trevor Francis brought in AJ and that era was without the loadsamoney that SP has plus the ground (pinched by uncle Ron) and almost brought back by SJ until the money men called in the debt. How did they know SJ was lacking in funds?? Er, it was pretty common knowledge we were in deep trouble, it was discussed at length on here for awhile before admin happened. The fact that SJ needed to borrow £5m from Agilo in the first place, and selling Fonte on the cheap at the start of that January when we were three points off the play offs and absolutely flying wasn't a great sign either. Some pretty revisionist thinking about SJ's reign in this thread. The ground was almost back? The stupid 'reunited' stuff was in 2006 when Rock Investments took control. We went into administration in 2010, having paid rent all that time. At what point was he close to actually buying it back during that time? Edited by Username (04 Mar 2018 2.34pm) Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Originally posted by crystal-purley

Read SJ's book. Mr Alexander possibly had a say in that particular Admin. Even the total failure that was Trevor Francis brought in AJ and that era was without the loadsamoney that SP has plus the ground (pinched by uncle Ron) and almost brought back by SJ until the money men called in the debt. How did they know SJ was lacking in funds??

Er, it was pretty common knowledge we were in deep trouble, it was discussed at length on here for awhile before admin happened. The fact that SJ needed to borrow £5m from Agilo in the first place, and selling Fonte on the cheap at the start of that January when we were three points off the play offs and absolutely flying wasn't a great sign either.

Some pretty revisionist thinking about SJ's reign in this thread. The ground was almost back? The stupid 'reunited' stuff was in 2006 when Rock Investments took control. We went into administration in 2010, having paid rent all that time. At what point was he close to actually buying it back during that time?

Edited by Username (04 Mar 2018 2.34pm)

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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southnorwoodhill 04 Mar 18 2.49pm
To repeat - there's one constant behind all the chopping and changing, and that is Parish. He must be very difficult to work with.
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To repeat - there's one constant behind all the chopping and changing, and that is Parish. He must be very difficult to work with.

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TheExpatEagle 04 Mar 18 3.10pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle EX PAT EAGLE you seem to have a strong view given your many replies. i need to say that i actually admire SJ and on whole & he ran the club with his best wishes at heart, and certainly doesnt deserve any bad comments from our fans, his only crime was running out of money / luck whilst running the club...but however bitter he is about CPFC 2010 im sure i remember SJ also got CPFC at a discount price (£10m) it just so happens, 2010 hit lucky in having zaha come thru & freedman signing yannick for a pittance as there is no way we wouldav got promoted without those 2, geez...jermaine easter wouldav scored 30 goals with that service. however...you simply have to credit parish for what the club has acheived under his guidance, in fact i simply cannot believe how people are so negative towards a guy who has overseen our longest run in the top flight, and put together the best squad the club has agriably ever seen. you could argue that he should have brought the players pulis wanted before he left, but i admire his stance in stopping that happening as financially it wouldnt be a sound investment. would you rather he spent £100m every window & we went into administation again? as if you supported palace back then you would remember how f*ing horrible that feels like, also when goldberk fed us up. what we are doing is living within our means, infact it could be argued we are actually spending out of our means, but thats been down to reactive panic spending...thats why in my previous post i stated we should be using academy players to bulk the squad out. i dont mean this comment just to yourself but i genuinally do not understand what people here want from our lovely club, do you personally go shopping in waitrose when you can only afford to go to aldi? its like people think theres a magical money tree, it doesnt exist in real life thats why i holiday in the canary islands rather than the caribbean or the maldives. i dont have any ill feelings towards woy, but we need a long term manager who can build his own squad organically rather than spunking cash on expensive s players every 18 months. to coin a well used buisness phrase, crystal palace are like a swan, we keep our heads above water but underneath we are paddling like f* to stay afloat...this needs to change, and im sure parish more than anybody else knows this. have a good night. I was going to engage in an adult debate until I read "woy" and decided you are a t***.
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04 Mar 18 3.10pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

EX PAT EAGLE

you seem to have a strong view given your many replies.

i need to say that i actually admire SJ and on whole & he ran the club with his best wishes at heart, and certainly doesnt deserve any bad comments from our fans, his only crime was running out of money / luck whilst running the club...but however bitter he is about CPFC 2010 im sure i remember SJ also got CPFC at a discount price (£10m) it just so happens, 2010 hit lucky in having zaha come thru & freedman signing yannick for a pittance as there is no way we wouldav got promoted without those 2, geez...jermaine easter wouldav scored 30 goals with that service.

however...you simply have to credit parish for what the club has acheived under his guidance, in fact i simply cannot believe how people are so negative towards a guy who has overseen our longest run in the top flight, and put together the best squad the club has agriably ever seen.

you could argue that he should have brought the players pulis wanted before he left, but i admire his stance in stopping that happening as financially it wouldnt be a sound investment.

would you rather he spent £100m every window & we went into administation again? as if you supported palace back then you would remember how f***ing horrible that feels like, also when goldberk f***ed us up.

what we are doing is living within our means, infact it could be argued we are actually spending out of our means, but thats been down to reactive panic spending...thats why in my previous post i stated we should be using academy players to bulk the squad out.

i dont mean this comment just to yourself but i genuinally do not understand what people here want from our lovely club, do you personally go shopping in waitrose when you can only afford to go to aldi? its like people think theres a magical money tree, it doesnt exist in real life thats why i holiday in the canary islands rather than the caribbean or the maldives.

i dont have any ill feelings towards woy, but we need a long term manager who can build his own squad organically rather than spunking cash on expensive s*** players every 18 months.

to coin a well used buisness phrase, crystal palace are like a swan, we keep our heads above water but underneath we are paddling like f*** to stay afloat...this needs to change, and im sure parish more than anybody else knows this.

have a good night.

I was going to engage in an adult debate until I read "woy" and decided you are a t***.

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TheExpatEagle 04 Mar 18 3.11pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I agree with a lot here but when people use extremes like £100 million each window it spoils all the good things said. Oh and that £100 million would've been what Frank would've needed minimum to get any half respectable points. Where we've gone wrong is not spending the money we did have in August 2016 and then spending more on 2 left backs in January than we would've done if we prepared ourselves to buy one in August. And then we do exactly the same again with the striker situation in August 2017. We had the money for a striker seeing as we bid for Tosun, we had our bid accepted for Niasee, we've spent roughly 10 on Sørloth and bid 16 or so for Adamou. The difference this time is Parish doesn't want to get shafted in January for a striker to adequately correct the repeated mistake. So although I agree with a lot of what you've said, not having the money isn't true. The planning, preparation and delegation isn't good enough and sometimes you may not get the deal perfectly in your favour, and you know why, because they know the buyer needs the player. So as we need the player, what does Parish do? Doesn't do the deal. That is, I'm afraid, the issue. Agree on long term manager though, but Pardew in a frank mask was never going to work in the way he went about things. I'd love to know what Brighty, Freedman and Roy thought when they heard how Frank was setting the team up in the summer and v Huddersfield. Hell the quality press said it was doomed. And what did they think on 1st September when it was official we had 1 striker? Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2018 10.27am) Good post! For me, it isn't and never had been about the amount of money spent. Parish claims we can't get players at decent prices because of this and that but it seems teams like Brighton can, or are they more attractive to join than us? Edited by TheExpatEagle (04 Mar 2018 3.18pm)
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04 Mar 18 3.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I agree with a lot here but when people use extremes like £100 million each window it spoils all the good things said. Oh and that £100 million would've been what Frank would've needed minimum to get any half respectable points.

Where we've gone wrong is not spending the money we did have in August 2016 and then spending more on 2 left backs in January than we would've done if we prepared ourselves to buy one in August.

And then we do exactly the same again with the striker situation in August 2017. We had the money for a striker seeing as we bid for Tosun, we had our bid accepted for Niasee, we've spent roughly 10 on Sørloth and bid 16 or so for Adamou. The difference this time is Parish doesn't want to get shafted in January for a striker to adequately correct the repeated mistake.

So although I agree with a lot of what you've said, not having the money isn't true. The planning, preparation and delegation isn't good enough and sometimes you may not get the deal perfectly in your favour, and you know why, because they know the buyer needs the player. So as we need the player, what does Parish do? Doesn't do the deal. That is, I'm afraid, the issue.

Agree on long term manager though, but Pardew in a frank mask was never going to work in the way he went about things. I'd love to know what Brighty, Freedman and Roy thought when they heard how Frank was setting the team up in the summer and v Huddersfield. Hell the quality press said it was doomed. And what did they think on 1st September when it was official we had 1 striker?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2018 10.27am)

Good post! For me, it isn't and never had been about the amount of money spent.

Parish claims we can't get players at decent prices because of this and that but it seems teams like Brighton can, or are they more attractive to join than us?

Edited by TheExpatEagle (04 Mar 2018 3.18pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Mar 18 3.35pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So lets, get this right, an aspiration to produce one decent player a season from an academy is now akin to a word normally associated with mental illness? Your posting is getting nastier by the minute Rudi and as for your last sentence try reading it again it makes absolutely no sense at all. Your skin is as thin as Rizla. You said Zaha quality every season. You can aim to have an academy player every season or every week or every week in every club, doesn't mean it'll happen. Talk is cheap, and we've heard loads of it. '2 signings this week' are the best. Probably some club shop assistants. You can aim high with the academy, means nothing, especially the set up as it is. And I again remind you of how youngsters get signed up by top London clubs. It's always happened. They usually sign the best available. Apart from Fergie's Man U kids it has never happened in the modern day. Sad but true. The last sentence was supposed to be Chelsea's offer of thousands to parents which is a big factor in them signing there. Predictive text screwed it but you should've gathered that. Since when has being delusional a mental illness? Thanks for making me laugh. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2018 3.38pm) COYP
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Your skin is as thin as Rizla. You said Zaha quality every season. You can aim to have an academy player every season or every week or every week in every club, doesn't mean it'll happen. Talk is cheap, and we've heard loads of it. '2 signings this week' are the best. Probably some club shop assistants.

You can aim high with the academy, means nothing, especially the set up as it is. And I again remind you of how youngsters get signed up by top London clubs. It's always happened. They usually sign the best available. Apart from Fergie's Man U kids it has never happened in the modern day. Sad but true.

The last sentence was supposed to be Chelsea's offer of thousands to parents which is a big factor in them signing there. Predictive text screwed it but you should've gathered that.

Since when has being delusional a mental illness? Thanks for making me laugh.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Mar 2018 3.38pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Mar 18 3.42pm
Originally posted by Booted Eagle Maybe we should ask Barnsley fans their viewpoint, as they are sitting exactly where we were when Parish and co took over ? Hanging by a thread to the Championship. Something must of gone right over that period. Edited by Booted Eagle (04 Mar 2018 11.59am) We had the 2 best wingers and striker in the championship and one of the most accurate passers in Garvan, even if he can't run like an athlete, that's what happened. Since then we've corrected bad summers or appointments at a higher cost in January and this time Parish hasn't done it. COYP
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Maybe we should ask Barnsley fans their viewpoint, as they are sitting exactly where we were when Parish and co took over ? Hanging by a thread to the Championship. Something must of gone right over that period.

Edited by Booted Eagle (04 Mar 2018 11.59am)

We had the 2 best wingers and striker in the championship and one of the most accurate passers in Garvan, even if he can't run like an athlete, that's what happened. Since then we've corrected bad summers or appointments at a higher cost in January and this time Parish hasn't done it.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 6.24pm
Originally posted by TheExpatEagle I was going to engage in an adult debate until I read "woy" and decided you are a t***. i see its not just football knowledge you lack, its a sense of humour aswell. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

I was going to engage in an adult debate until I read "woy" and decided you are a t***.

i see its not just football knowledge you lack, its a sense of humour aswell.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Mar 18 6.31pm
Originally posted by TheExpatEagle Have you read his book? He tried to get backers in, one of them Parish, but he got screwed over. Before you say the account is total rubbish, it is notable he hasn't been sued for libel of slander for his comments in the media from someone who is quite happy to sue people. ^^ did you buy a "club and stadium re-united" t-shirt ? Jordan worked on his own because no-one else could work with him Parish is still a work in progress I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

Have you read his book? He tried to get backers in, one of them Parish, but he got screwed over.

Before you say the account is total rubbish, it is notable he hasn't been sued for libel of slander for his comments in the media from someone who is quite happy to sue people.

^^ did you buy a "club and stadium re-united" t-shirt ?

Jordan worked on his own because no-one else could work with him

Parish is still a work in progress

I disengage, I turn the page.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 6.55pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman We had the 2 best wingers and striker in the championship and one of the most accurate passers in Garvan, even if he can't run like an athlete, that's what happened. Since then we've corrected bad summers or appointments at a higher cost in January and this time Parish hasn't done it. i for one am happy with the way we conducted our spending over the last 2 windows. i think our loan moves were clever buisness, jairo relativly cheap & that allowed us to sign sakho on a full time basis. sorloth seems to be a woy signing, as does rakip they both seem to be a case of woy using his scandinavian contracts /knowledge, we cant comment on the polish lad as he hasnt played a minute yet. parish has built a very good core squad on a relativly tiny budget, i would say when fit & on form our squad quality is equal to anybody outside the top 7. tell you what, when we all walked out of the stadium after the play off final if somebody had said our team would consist of zaha / andros / dann / tomkins / cabaye / benteke / sakho and we would still be up in the top flight 5 seasons later we would have taken thst all day. yet there seems to be this smattering of ignorance that has crept into so many fans ethos that we should be able to acheive the unacheivable...were will never compete with teams like everton & above when it comes to funding, the games changed. if we all want to be a PL team we have to accept that more often than not its going to be a struggle. more so next season if wolves & villa come up with thier resources...the bar is being raised every single season. and btw rudi...my £100m comment was just a flippant comment. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

i for one am happy with the way we conducted our spending over the last 2 windows.

i think our loan moves were clever buisness, jairo relativly cheap & that allowed us to sign sakho on a full time basis.

sorloth seems to be a woy signing, as does rakip they both seem to be a case of woy using his scandinavian contracts /knowledge, we cant comment on the polish lad as he hasnt played a minute yet.

parish has built a very good core squad on a relativly tiny budget, i would say when fit & on form our squad quality is equal to anybody outside the top 7.

tell you what, when we all walked out of the stadium after the play off final if somebody had said our team would consist of zaha / andros / dann / tomkins / cabaye / benteke / sakho and we would still be up in the top flight 5 seasons later we would have taken thst all day.

yet there seems to be this smattering of ignorance that has crept into so many fans ethos that we should be able to acheive the unacheivable...were will never compete with teams like everton & above when it comes to funding, the games changed.

if we all want to be a PL team we have to accept that more often than not its going to be a struggle.

more so next season if wolves & villa come up with thier resources...the bar is being raised every single season.

and btw rudi...my £100m comment was just a flippant comment.

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