I don't even bother to read his posts any more.

For a start they are usually ridiculously long-winded epics like War and Peace full of fanciful bollocks accusing right minded people of all sorts of eco crimes, racism, blah blah.

I imagine Serial to be like one of the crowd in "The Life of Brian" calling for someone to be stoned to death for saying Jehovah LOL.

I wonder what reaction he, and his band of followers, have about the news I heard this morning that at least one of the terrorists involved had claimed asylum in Greece just 2 months ago?

Up to now he has been advocating an open arms response to all asylum seekers and refugees oblivious to the potential dangers which have now come to fruition.

Ok, my tuppence worth...

Firstly, we HAVE to stop all financial connections with the Saudis. If this means finding alternative forms of energy production, then that's fine. They are beheading more people than IS, most of the funding, weapons and ideology being spread is coming from the Wahabists in that state. Equally, the region in the world in which IS ideology is spreading fastest, the Yemen, is the country being carpet bombed by them at the moment, leading to what the UN claim is a Syrian situation created in just 6 months. For those of you concerned about refugees, well this is gonna be made a whole lot worse if the situation in Yemen continues.

Second, we need to have a far clearer set of objectives in the region. In my opinion, we should be assisting the Kurds in Northern Syria and Iraq, while also making clear that human rights violations, such as we saw in Iraq a couple of months ago, will be dealt with on an international basis. They are a far from perfect organisation, although I would say their principles of religious pluralism, radical democracy and gender equality make them by far the most encouraging group in the region. Supporting them, however, would involve holding Turkey to account for their coordinated airstrikes on Kurdish regions and blockade, and it may even involve supporting the Kurdish push for their own autonomous state in the long run.

On our part we should facilitate diplomacy in the area, invest in infrastructural development and education and generally attempt to rebuild a part of the world which we have left in ruins.

Domestically, and I know this will be unpopular, but I refuse to believe that the answer is to bring up the drawbridge. Yes, use intelligence services to track suspected terrorists, but as I have said, the people seeking asylum are the very souls running away from ISIL, people born and raised in a region in which their ideology is most prominent. For us to meekly withdraw assistance to these people will only increase animosity to the West, an animosity which IS thrives off. If we just leave millions of people in temporary camps in Lebanon, Turkey etc over winter, you can be sure that any respect and sympathies for nations like Frace, the UK and America will dwindle as fast as the health and population numbers of the refugees themselves. In this time of adversity and hardship, I believe we MUST show empathy and support to the most vulnerable, fight intolerance and ignorance with maturity.

And in that vein, rather than responding to your gay jibe with an insult of my own, I'll instead point out that I was merely responding to a claim Hoof made that Islam doesn't tolerate homosexuality. I could very easily riposte by saying that with your apparent views on gays you may fit in very well with the more extreme elements of Islam such as IS, but I will instead be mature and refrain fro doing so.

I don't even bother to read his posts any more.

For a start they are usually ridiculously long-winded epics like War and Peace full of fanciful bollocks accusing right minded people of all sorts of eco crimes, racism, blah blah.

I imagine Serial to be like one of the crowd in "The Life of Brian" calling for someone to be stoned to death for saying Jehovah LOL.

I wonder what reaction he, and his band of followers, have about the news I heard this morning that at least one of the terrorists involved had claimed asylum in Greece just 2 months ago?

Up to now he has been advocating an open arms response to all asylum seekers and refugees oblivious to the potential dangers which have now come to fruition.

priceless, haha! You do come out with some corkers Hoof. Allow me to repeat one of my favourites:

'I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!'

Hoof Hearted, 2015

Such poetic terminology, insightful use of analogy, not to mention the subtle references to this historic little beauty:

'The Jews are a parasitic race that feeds like a foul fungus on the cultures of healthy but ignorant peoples. There is only one effective measure: cut them out.'

Joseph Goebbels, 1941.

Hurrah for the blackshirts!

Edited by serial thriller (15 Nov 2015 11.09am)

If someone is trying to offer an opinion or some sort of solutions, then a restriction on length is ridiculous. This is not a simple situation and therefore any response cannot be restricted to a few sentences...

RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968.

He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris.

Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit.

Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!

Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed?

Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS!

Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters?

These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith.

We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds.

Do we want blood on our streets?

Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" !

I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything.

I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!

Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law.

It's our choice.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am)