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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 9.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

You do realize that according to this the population has only gone (adding natural and net miggration together) up by 5million between 2003-04 and 2013-14 don't you?

So it has doubled a natural increase that would have otherwise naturally decreased. I call that highly significant.
You can take stats in isolation if you wish but the fact is that the population has increased by more than one sixth in 50 years. Or to put it another way,it took a thousand years to grow from 3 to 50 million and only 50 years more to get to 63 million.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 16 9.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it has doubled a natural increase that would have otherwise naturally decreased. I call that highly significant.
You can take stats in isolation if you wish but the fact is that the population has increased by more than one sixth in 50 years. Or to put it another way,it took a thousand years to grow from 3 to 50 million and only 50 years more to get to 63 million.

How does this compare to world population over the same time period?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 9.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by crystal balls

You seem to be extrapolating current trends into a place in the future where your grandchildren will be affected; yet these immigration trends have been occurring for a relatively short period (10 years at most). The only constant is change, and undoubtedly immigration and emigration numbers will alter again in future.

It is quite possible that Africa will become a self-sufficient continent within the next 20 years. Much of Asia already is self sufficient, and growth there will continue in all probability. And it's a very long way from Indonesia to Dover, so I wouldn't worry unduly about that scenario.

Ethnic groups tend to find ways to get along over time. Green Lanes in north London is one of the few places in the world where Greeks and Turks live side-by-side with little or no friction. And it's only ever a tiny minority from any religious group who use their beliefs to beat up others. Most want the same things that you do, a peaceful happy life and a good future for their families.


As I have told you before, change has not been a constant. I have demonstrated this with facts. The biggest change has been in the last 10 years. You clearly don't want to believe it for whatever reason.

As for trends not continuing. 90% of the worlds population will live in Africa,Asia and Indonesia within 200 years and the World population will have increased to as much as 13 billion by 2100. You think that Europe and the US with much lower population density won't be a magnet for economic migrants alone?
As for migrant integration, I see little evidence that that is happening at a satisfactory pace.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How does this compare to world population over the same time period?

Everybody knows that European birth rates have fallen and that only immigration has propped up population increase. The invention of contraception must have played a big part in that. However, Britain has had the fastest population increase of any European country in the last decade and that trend is increasing.
Populations in Asia, Africa, Indonesia have risen sharply needless to say. All this stuff is readily available on line.

 

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Ketteridge Flag Brighton 24 Feb 16 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ultimately.

We must remember that each wave of migrants, and they will be continuous with world population increase and displacement, will have several children each. Most likely more than the average. Even if that trend slows for one wave of migrants, there will be another right behind them. The population will sharply increase year on year and an ever increasing proportion of them will be migrants.
Aside from considerations about housing and services, we must also consider the impact that it will have on our democratic system. We risk our elections being dominated by identity politics and minority issues.


The basic point all you water based analogies are missing are that the majority of immigration we are in control of. If we are on a sinking ship with more water gushing in then you have to ask yourself why the captain of the ship has opened the bow doors to let in twice a much water ( 1 third uncontrolled immigration two thirds controlled immigration over the last ten years) but it is not only this Captain that has been willfully negligent it is his five predecessors, that have all had higher 'controlled' immigration' then 'uncontrolled'. We are in control, it is less force nine on the north Alantic and more the Elephant and Castle swimming pool wave machine, we can shut it off when we want.
It's curios almost like immigrants bring skills we need and want. The reason we need and want those skills is whole different arguement

 


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Ketteridge Flag Brighton 24 Feb 16 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it has doubled a natural increase that would have otherwise naturally decreased. I call that highly significant.
You can take stats in isolation if you wish but the fact is that the population has increased by more than one sixth in 50 years. Or to put it another way,it took a thousand years to grow from 3 to 50 million and only 50 years more to get to 63 million.

No it says that the population has increased by 5m you say 10m. So it has reduced the naturally increase by two thirds.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 10.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge


The basic point all you water based analogies are missing are that the majority of immigration we are in control of. If we are on a sinking ship with more water gushing in then you have to ask yourself why the captain of the ship has opened the bow doors to let in twice a much water ( 1 third uncontrolled immigration two thirds controlled immigration over the last ten years) but it is not only this Captain that has been willfully negligent it is his five predecessors, that have all had higher 'controlled' immigration' then 'uncontrolled'. We are in control, it is less force nine on the north Alantic and more the Elephant and Castle swimming pool wave machine, we can shut it off when we want.
It's curios almost like immigrants bring skills we need and want. The reason we need and want those skills is whole different arguement

I think the ship is not being controlled by the captain but by some people in Brussels. In other words, we do not have control over economic migration to our own country. I will be interested to see if we leave the EU and then if government still dances to the tune of business or actually cuts European immigration as the majority of the population want.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 16 10.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Everybody knows that European birth rates have fallen and that only immigration has propped up population increase. The invention of contraception must have played a big part in that. However, Britain has had the fastest population increase of any European country in the last decade and that trend is increasing.
Populations in Asia, Africa, Indonesia have risen sharply needless to say. All this stuff is readily available on line.

got a link?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 16 10.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think the ship is not being controlled by the captain but by some people in Brussels. In other words, we do not have control over economic migration to our own country. I will be interested to see if we leave the EU and then if government still dances to the tune of business or actually cuts European immigration as the majority of the population want.

If we don't control it, then how come there is to be legislation saying migrants have to earn over £35k if they are to be able to stay?

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Sounds quite controlling to me.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

No it says that the population has increased by 5m you say 10m. So it has reduced the naturally increase by two thirds.

Sorry but your logic escapes me.

The population has increased by 10 million in 50 years and by half of that in the last 10. 53% of that has apparently been by caused directly by immigration.

Had immigration not occurred. Britain's population would have started to decline owing to decreased birth rate and a greater proportion of old people.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Feb 16 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think the ship is not being controlled by the captain but by some people in Brussels. In other words, we do not have control over economic migration to our own country. I will be interested to see if we leave the EU and then if government still dances to the tune of business or actually cuts European immigration as the majority of the population want.

In 2014 48% of migrants to the UK came from the EU. Which means that 52% didn't. Leaving the EU won't affect the latter (much) and add that to my earlier ageing population assertions you can surely see that the problems with regard to population will still be with us even with an exit.

This idea that stopping EU migrants will cure our ills is just plain wrong. It will make a very small dent. Definitely not worth leaving such a powerhouse for. We will be cutting off our noses to spite our face by doing it.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 16 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

got a link?

Browse the thread.

All this BBS moonlighting has made you late to this party.

 

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